Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Conforto's gonna get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, fathom said: Mariners and Rangers have interest I don't see anything about that on MLBTR . Where did you see it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Conforto's gonna get paid. I get the sense it won’t be the White Sox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I don't see anything about that on MLBTR . Where did you see it ? Different beat writers or legit blogs over the last few weeks. More importantly, there hasn’t been much reported that the Sox are interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, fathom said: Different beat writers or legit blogs over the last few weeks. More importantly, there hasn’t been much reported that the Sox are interested. We’re in for a long offseason than. I’m surprised with all the predictions of our payroll to be close to 190-200 million. Who are we in on than? Edited November 27, 2021 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, fathom said: I get the sense it won’t be the White Sox I never have. If it happens I'll be ecstatic but I'm not expecting it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: We’re in for a long offseason than. I’m surprised with all the predictions of our payroll to be close to 190-200 million. Who are we in on than? Nobody? Lol Semien, Schwarber Edited November 27, 2021 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I never have. If it happens I'll be ecstatic but I'm not expecting it. That was your boy two years ago. Finally a good player from Oregon St 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, fathom said: Semien, Schwarber If Conforto is out, Schwarber is an absolute must and no, I dont care about the lineup problem with multiple DH types. We actually need both...badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, fathom said: Different beat writers or legit blogs over the last few weeks. More importantly, there hasn’t been much reported that the Sox are interested. Was hoping for a link. I can find a few opinions on it that are speculation and some of them are just using the 1 yr pillow contract as a basis . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Just now, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Was hoping for a link. I can find a few opinions on it that are speculation and some of them are just using the 1 yr pillow contract as a basis . I also personally believe Conforto waits for Suzuki to pick a team. Tons of overlap there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: We’re in for a long offseason than. I’m surprised with all the predictions of our payroll to be close to 190-200 million. Who are we in on than? Starting pitching perhaps but silence from the Sox hardly means we aren't in on Conforto . I can't find anything googling legit interest in him except for Boras blather. Edited November 27, 2021 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 35 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Starling Marte is 33 years old. I think Conforto gets more than that. I think if Conforto was coming off a normal year he would get a lot more. Unfortunately for him that’s not the case and GMs now have to bake some risk into their valuations. If you look at Steamer, they have Conforto projected for 2.5 years next year. I personally think he blows that projection out of the water, but I’m also not the GM and accountable if a major signing goes wrong. Additionally, front offices are more data driven than ever. And while I’ve pointed out the flaws of modern day projection models in that they ignore context, the reality is that 0.8 fWAR season will weighted into go forward forecasts to some extent even if they’re obviously aware of the hamstring injury. Meanwhile, Marte is the one coming off an excellent year (5.5 fWAR), is the best CF on the market (which will certainly garner a premium), and doesn’t have a draft pick attached to him. Steamer has him at 3.1 wins next year, which already factors in massive regression (rather than massive improvement for Michael). Even with a standard aging curve, both guys would provide similar value over the next four years. As such, I’d expect similar deals for both guys, with the factors outlined above for Marte giving a slight edge to Conforto’s youth and upside. Obviously I trust if you’re hearing something that suggests otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 I think I agree with CWS. I don’t think the teams rumored in on him are the ones that will let Boras make the market, and Conforto isn’t big enough to anyway. I kinda thought he’d get the Upton 2016 contract but not sure anymore. I think he definitely gets an opt-out. But I don’t see Conforto signing anytime soon because of this. I swear, man, I think the white soxiest thing is definitely signing schwarber and making cute with RF, 2B. But maybe they somehow pull Taylor? I feel like the odds of a Joc RF are rising. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) Bad timing for this NY writer regrading Mets and Conforto. Positive for Sox. Maybe 5-$100 ?? https://risingapple.com/posts/ny-mets-sign-michael-conforto-threat Edited November 27, 2021 by SCCWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, fathom said: Different beat writers or legit blogs over the last few weeks. More importantly, there hasn’t been much reported that the Sox are interested. How often are the Sox’s actual targets leaked out though? There was absolutely nothing from the true insiders on Graveman and I’m pretty sure that’s been the case the last few years for almost every major signing. The Sox like to operate in the shadows and I truly believe if you see someone like Nightengale mention a name (like with Ray & Semien) it’s misdirection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Was hoping for a link. I can find a few opinions on it that are speculation and some of them are just using the 1 yr pillow contract as a basis . If he was a slam dunk to sign a pillow contract, he might as well have just taken the guaranteed $18.3 mill QO and had certainty prior to lock out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: How often are the Sox’s actual targets leaked out though? There was absolutely nothing from the true insiders on Graveman and I’m pretty sure that’s been the case the last few years for almost every major signing. The Sox like to operate in the shadows and I truly believe if you see someone like Nightengale mention a name (like with Ray & Semien) it’s misdirection. I feel like it is pretty often to be honest. Hendriks, Encarnacion, Wheeler, Keuchel, and to some degree Yaz though it was fast, we were pretty in the know on those. Eaton, Graveman we’re definitely silent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: We’re in for a long offseason than. I’m surprised with all the predictions of our payroll to be close to 190-200 million. Who are we in on than? Semien and one of Max/Rodon/Gausman/Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 29 minutes ago, fathom said: Semien, Schwarber Sign me up, although we need a starter too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, bmags said: I feel like it is pretty often to be honest. Hendriks, Encarnacion, Wheeler, Keuchel, and to some degree Yaz though it was fast, we were pretty in the know on those. Eaton, Graveman we’re definitely silent. Encarnacion was leaked, but that was also a unique situation in which he wasn’t able to sign a contract immediately for geographical / personal reasons. I feel like Wheeler didn’t leak until it was coming down to the wire. Did Yaz actually leak? Maybe like 30 minutes before I got PM on it, but that one came out of nowhere. I don’t remember a ton of stuff on Keuchel, but could be wrong there. Hendriks was the one where there was a ton of rumors, but right or wrong I attribute that to being a La Russa oriented move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 38 minutes ago, fathom said: Semien, Schwarber I agree on Schwarber but Semien I’m not quite sure. He’s going to be pretty expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: How often are the Sox’s actual targets leaked out though? There was absolutely nothing from the true insiders on Graveman and I’m pretty sure that’s been the case the last few years for almost every major signing. The Sox like to operate in the shadows and I truly believe if you see someone like Nightengale mention a name (like with Ray & Semien) it’s misdirection. They were rumored on Hendriks the entire offseason last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) Please no Conforto. The fans who have seen him for his entire career have little good to say about him other than he tries hard and seems like a good guy. Complaints such as: he is prone to long slumps that coincide with Mets losing streaks; he has potential but hasn't reached it; his lack of power; and that he won't be worth the money some sucker team is likely to give him. They say they can't believe they can get a pick for him as well. That doesn't seem like the key posiition player acquisition I'd want the Sox to add. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/michael-conforto-to-reject-qualifying-offer.html [ Check out the comments section]. https://risingapple.com/2021/10/10/ny-mets-michael-conforto-devils-advocate/ Edited November 27, 2021 by beck72 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Encarnacion was leaked, but that was also a unique situation in which he wasn’t able to sign a contract immediately for geographical / personal reasons. I feel like Wheeler didn’t leak until it was coming down to the wire. Did Yaz actually leak? Maybe like 30 minutes before I got PM on it, but that one came out of nowhere. I don’t remember a ton of stuff on Keuchel, but could be wrong there. Hendriks was the one where there was a ton of rumors, but right or wrong I attribute that to being a La Russa oriented move. I feel like we need to define leak here. If Conforto signs here, was it not clear that he could be a Sox target? Plenty of smoke from Fox, etc. Whereas if Sox sign Kris Bryant, that be pretty unannounced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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