CentralChamps21 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 So, here's my question: Is there data somewhere on team swing and miss rates that include home/road splits? I assume that most, if not all teams are better at home, but would love to know if the Astros' home/road splits are somehow more extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Was Grandal doing a full sequence of signs on every pitch in Houston? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Eh bad take 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Sox should bring Farquhar to the games as a ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Make these comments after the series. Don’t want to light a fire under the opponent. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: Make these comments after the series. Don’t want to light a fire under the opponent. Generally, it is best to attempt to stop the cheating before you are home on your sofa watching them in the ALCS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, GREEDY said: Generally, it is best to attempt to stop the cheating before you are home on your sofa watching them in the ALCS. True, but if they’re not cheating that doesn’t matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I am not suggesting that they are still cheating but if it was ever shown that they still were....I would hope lifetime bans would be coming down. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Sox should have Mike Fiers throw out the first pitch today. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, wegner said: I am not suggesting that they are still cheating but if it was ever shown that they still were....I would hope lifetime bans would be coming down. This. I find it very hard to believe that HOU is cheating again. They would be beyond stupid to do that and they have way too much talent to need to do that. If Tepera/White Sox members are making strong comments here, I hope they have enough proof because otherwise that's some BS to do. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Sox should have Mike Fiers throw out the first pitch today. Any chance they can do that and add him to the playoff roster....we might need some help....all hands on deck+++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) Speaking of which, I'm surprised the rule is written that the basepath only pertains to throws to first, and as long as the umpire deems you are not intentionally interfering with a throw, you can run anywhere you damn please. If you squeeze bunt toward the pitcher, can you run toward the pitcher and stop to block a throw home, as long as you are not intentionally flailing your arms or kicking at a thrown ball? Or as a RHB make 1-2 steps toward first and stop, to block a path of a throw from a pitcher to the catcher to make a play on the runner from 3rd base? It worked out for the Sox, but it's hard to see that play and not think running well into the infield grass was unintentional. This play should also be reviewable, and it is not. Any reversal is solely at the discretion of the on field umpires. Edited October 11, 2021 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 31 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: This. I find it very hard to believe that HOU is cheating again. They would be beyond stupid to do that and they have way too much talent to need to do that. If Tepera/White Sox members are making strong comments here, I hope they have enough proof because otherwise that's some BS to do. Who needs proof? Even if they have it, nobody will do anything about it. The players already got away with it once and know how they got caught, so just be smarter next time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 28 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: This. I find it very hard to believe that HOU is cheating again. They would be beyond stupid to do that and they have way too much talent to need to do that. If Tepera/White Sox members are making strong comments here, I hope they have enough proof because otherwise that's some BS to do. Nonsense. It will always be a fair question, and you earn those questions when you decide to be a cheater. They got slaps in the wrist (or less for many of them) for disgracing the game and stealing a WS. If they have to fend off questions forever that’s the least they deserve. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Speaking of which, was there any definitive reference to the rulebook regarding this play? If you squeeze bunt toward the pitcher, can you run toward the pitcher and stop to block a throw home, or as a RHB make 1-2 steps toward first and stop to block a throw from a pitcher to the catcher to tag the runner from 3rd base? I saw an explanation about this, apparently it didn't really matter because Grandal wasn't interfering with their attempt to get him out, so the establishment of the baseline didn't matter in that instance. As long as it didn't look like he was intentionally trying to deflect the ball it's ok. And the ump determined that Yas was just running up the line after the hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Who needs proof? Even if they have it, nobody will do anything about it. The players already got away with it once and know how they got caught, so just be smarter next time Criminals usually go back to a life of crime when they get released from prison. Most cheaters continue to cheat. I have no idea if the Astros are still doing what they did but in a less obvious way, but you have to think its more than possible. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I saw an explanation about this, apparently it didn't really matter because Grandal wasn't interfering with their attempt to get him out, so the establishment of the baseline didn't matter in that instance. As long as it didn't look like he was intentionally trying to deflect the ball it's ok. And the ump determined that Yas was just running up the line after the hit AJP was admiring Grandal's work. Probably wishes he thought of that one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) The Astros got off relatively easy and only got a slap on the wrist. They should’ve been banned from the postseason for a couple years or the World Series should’ve been taken away from them but probably best to not start crap. Edited October 11, 2021 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: AJP was admiring Grandal's work. Probably wishes he thought of that one. I think AJ said he was thinking of coming out of retirement to really cause chaos if they are going to allow that, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: AJP was admiring Grandal's work. Probably wishes he thought of that one. Game recognize game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackowiakYakYak Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 The Sox have a bigger differential on the season for home and away, and Houston is first in wrc at home and away. The easiest explanation is that you get used to your park’s batters eye. Don’t start shit Tepera 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 46 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: I find it very hard to believe that HOU is cheating again. They would be beyond stupid to do that and they have way too much talent to need to do that. They were taking Kopech's slider all the way and taking daddy hacks at his fastballs. Maldonado was committed to a fastball that was going to hit him. Obviously, they could have had a tip on Michael specifically but they definitely do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Oh no is one of our players reminding everyone that the Houston players cheated and weren’t punished (unless they retired)? How dare he! Tsk tsk 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 42 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Speaking of which, I'm surprised the rule is written that the basepath only pertains to throws to first, and as long as the umpire deems you are not intentionally interfering with a throw, you can run anywhere you damn please. If you squeeze bunt toward the pitcher, can you run toward the pitcher and stop to block a throw home, as long as you are not intentionally flailing your arms or kicking at a thrown ball? Or as a RHB make 1-2 steps toward first and stop, to block a path of a throw from a pitcher to the catcher to make a play on the runner from 3rd base? It worked out for the Sox, but it's hard to see that play and not think running well into the infield grass was unintentional. This play should also be reviewable, and it is not. Any reversal is solely at the discretion of the on field umpires. You have to remain inside the baseline. It is the box to the right of the line that is important on throws to first, not from first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 56 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: This. I find it very hard to believe that HOU is cheating again. They would be beyond stupid to do that and they have way too much talent to need to do that. If Tepera/White Sox members are making strong comments here, I hope they have enough proof because otherwise that's some BS to do. Fuck that. These cheaters do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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