aboz56 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I know Honel is probably our best pitching prospect overall and should start the season next year in AA (Birmingham) where Rex will be able to give us a better idea of what he's got a chance to develop into for the Sox. However, for anyone that has seen him or knows anything more about him other than the obvious, where does Honel project in the Sox rotation when he finally arrives? No.1? No.2? No.3? I'm just interested to know. I've read a great deal about him, yet I've never seen him throw a pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I know Honel is probably our best pitching prospect overall and should start the season next year in AA (Birmingham) where Rex will be able to give us a better idea of what he's got a chance to develop into for the Sox. However, for anyone that has seen him or knows anything more about him other than the obvious, where does Honel project in the Sox rotation when he finally arrives? No.1? No.2? No.3? I'm just interested to know. I've read a great deal about him, yet I've never seen him throw a pitch. My guess is a #3, give or take two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I know Honel is probably our best pitching prospect overall and should start the season next year in AA (Birmingham) where Rex will be able to give us a better idea of what he's got a chance to develop into for the Sox. However, for anyone that has seen him or knows anything more about him other than the obvious, where does Honel project in the Sox rotation when he finally arrives? No.1? No.2? No.3? I'm just interested to know. I've read a great deal about him, yet I've never seen him throw a pitch. My guess is a #3, give or take two. Lol Rex, so helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I've been pretty steady in saying that he projects to be a #1. Some of his more subtle stats back this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I think it's hard to project someone as an ACE.... i say 3, but thats just a safe projection on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 He'll start off as a number 3 in our rotation when he arrives. God I hope he pans out, we haven't had much luck in starting pitching prospects minus Garland and Buehrle. Than again no one really thought Buehrle would develop into anything at all... CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 we haven't had much luck in starting pitching prospects minus Garland and Buehrle. Garland's a bust dude. I would go so far as to say he doesn't belong in the same sentence with the words "Buehrle" and "pans out". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Garland's a bust dude. I would go so far as to say he doesn't belong in the same sentence with the words "Buehrle" and "pans out". You really think Jon Garland is a bust Cubkilla? He's no world beater yet but he there is no way he's been a bust. How old is he 24? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I say that Honel will rank as a 2/3. I don't see him ever turning into a true ace, but I do see him becoming a very solid pitcher that Sox fans will cheer for, for a long time. He does have the potential to be an ace though. I Think its pretty hard ranking a prospect when they are still in the lower levels. Next year in Bham will be a real test for him and a bit more of a barometer. I'll say this, that knuckle curve he throws is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 You really think Jon Garland is a bust Cubkilla? He's no world beater yet but he there is no way he's been a bust. How old is he 24? I'm at the point of calling him a bust because I'm sick and tired of all the "give him time" and "this year is JG's breakout year" BS during ST only to see JG look like Cy Young in one outing and a T-Ball stand the next 3. One thing that Jon Garland IS is inconsistent. Age not withstanding, he's been in the bigs now for 3(?)..... 4(?)..... 5(?)..... seasons and has been, at the best, a game or two over .500 number 3 or 4 pitcher. He's a number 5 AT BEST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 JG is a great #4 pitcher and an alright #3 right now. I've became a big Garland fan. He was much more consistent this year although his stats still need to improve. I saw him step up in many key games and I still see him improving. This kid is very young and he's a productive pitcher. The Sox are only asking him to be a #4, assuming we get Colon or another guy in here thats an ace, and to me thats a great thing. The key will be getting a #5 to go along with him and working on making the pen even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Garland isn't a bust. I think he could be a solid number three next season. Wright isn't a complete bust yet, he did win, what, 14 games last year, I could see him as a good reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 The key will be getting a #5 to go along with him and working on making the pen even better. Make Garland the #5 and acquire a number 3 or 4 and I guarantee we make the '04 playoffs. Only if JG is a number 5 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Wright isn't a complete bust yet, he did win, what, 14 games last year, I could see him as a good reliever. If Wright is in the starting rotation for '04, this team is in serious trouble. I'm not even sold on him in the BP..... yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 If Wright is in the starting rotation for '04, this team is in serious trouble. I'm not even sold on him in the BP..... yet. We know Wright is another one of those arms that I really like. I don't know if he can do it out of the rotation, but I know he has a great attitude and great stuff and usually thats a winning combination. He will be very useful next year pitching out of the pen. And he can also make some spot starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I'm at the point of calling him a bust because I'm sick and tired of all the "give him time" and "this year is JG's breakout year" BS during ST only to see JG look like Cy Young in one outing and a T-Ball stand the next 3. One thing that Jon Garland IS is inconsistent. Age not withstanding, he's been in the bigs now for 3(?)..... 4(?)..... 5(?)..... seasons and has been, at the best, a game or two over .500 number 3 or 4 pitcher. He's a number 5 AT BEST. I understand what you are saying a little now, but I don't think you can call an above average pitcher a bust. He has got lots of time and he really wasn't that inconsistent, you can probably look at his pitching lines for 2003 and I'm sure he together strung many quality starts in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 21, 2003 Author Share Posted October 21, 2003 Rex or anyone, when do you think Honel gets his shot? 2005? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Rex or anyone, when do you think Honel gets his shot? 2005? Sometime in 2005 depending on how he progresses. I don't see him in Chicago this upcoming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Sometime in 2005 depending on how he progresses. I don't see him in Chicago this upcoming season. What kids could we see here next season? Anyone with a shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Rex or anyone, when do you think Honel gets his shot? 2005? You know Abo if he has a hell of a year at Birmingham next year he might get a Cottsesque shot at the major leagues. And with the confidence he has he might even have some success. Then again we've been developping Honel to be an ace in our staff so we might not give him the shot no matter what, not until he is completely ready. Which could be 05, 06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 21, 2003 Author Share Posted October 21, 2003 Sometime in 2005 depending on how he progresses. I don't see him in Chicago this upcoming season. That's what I was thinking. While it's early to even be talking about this, the latest edition of Baseball America has a preview of the 2004 draft. Their mock draft has the Sox taking Jay Rainville, a high schooler from Pawtucket, R.I. with the 18th selection of the first round. Here's what I found on him with a random Google search.: Jay Rainville has been named Rhode Island's Gatorade Player of the Year. Rainville has led the Hawks going 9-0 this season and averaging over 15 strikeouts per game. Rainville is 6-2, 225 and projects to be a pitcher in proball. Plays 3B as well in HS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 What kids could we see here next season? Anyone with a shot? I think Rauch and Diaz will be the 1st to get shots in the majors. Both have solid stuff and put together good numbers at AAA in a good hitters park. They could compete for the 5th spot and might also win a spot in the pen. I think Pacheco and Cotts need AT LEAST 1/2 season at AAA before they get a shot. Cotts has to show me improved control and Pacheco needs to show me that last year wasn't a fluke(since it was his 1st good year in the minors). If they are pitching well in AAA look for them to get a shot around the AS break, and maybe even surpass Rauch and Diaz. In the bullpen look for Ginter. I am really a big fan of his and think he will make the team next year and put together a solid year. Other relievers to watch for are Majewski and Munoz. I think these are the young pitchers that will get a shot in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 We know Wright is another one of those arms that I really like. I don't know if he can do it out of the rotation, but I know he has a great attitude and great stuff and usually thats a winning combination. He will be very useful next year pitching out of the pen. And he can also make some spot starts. I think Danny can be a great asset out of the pen next year. I really think that could be where he really shines. At any rate, he won't be able to give up that big first inning in a relief role So is Josh Stewart completely off the radar? Has he been recovering from whatever freaky neural/circulatory problem that shot to the chest left hm with? And does anyone think Shoenweiss can win the 5th spot with a great Spring showing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Garland's a bust dude. I would go so far as to say he doesn't belong in the same sentence with the words "Buehrle" and "pans out". Considering with what luck we have I don't consider Garland a "bust." a bust is a guy that can't get anybody out, let alone win 12 games. A bust is a guy like Danny Wright. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 21, 2003 Author Share Posted October 21, 2003 We know Wright is another one of those arms that I really like. I don't know if he can do it out of the rotation, but I know he has a great attitude and great stuff and usually thats a winning combination. He will be very useful next year pitching out of the pen. And he can also make some spot starts. I think Danny can be a great asset out of the pen next year. I really think that could be where he really shines. At any rate, he won't be able to give up that big first inning in a relief role So is Josh Stewart completely off the radar? Has he been recovering from whatever freaky neural/circulatory problem that shot to the chest left hm with? And does anyone think Shoenweiss can win the 5th spot with a great Spring showing? I agree. Farmio said many times on the radio this past season that Wright could be a great closer in the big leagues, which I agree with. Could even get a shot next season, especially if Koch isn't back to his old self and the Sox want to keep Marte in the set-up role. I don't see Gordon coming back. In terms of Stewart, I think he's still on the radar, but he's down the list. Everyone was high on him after last season and then even higher after his strong showing out in Arizona last fall. Then he had a horrible season plagued by injuries and fell down the list. Only way we see him next year is if was to pitch lights out in the Spring, otherwise he'll be in AAA the whole year in my opinion. Even if he did pan out, he's no better than a #5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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