ron883 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Quin said: The obsession with moving one of the best defensive third basemen in baseball back to second base confounds me. Moncada to 2nd, Burger to 3rd, Eloy in LF and Vaughn in RF. Defense won't matter with all the runs this team will score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Bryant still puts up good numbers, but they have been down since his peak. He seems like a guy you may regret giving a long term deal fairly soon. There just is something about him that makes me think you always will expect more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I don't see the Schwarber connection unless Vaughn is traded. I don't want to trade him. I am not someone that thinks the sox need to hit the perfect equilibrium of player to position. Sox may need to discard Kimbrel, Keuchel salaries, but they don't need to discard of anyone just for balance/playing time. They can just add more players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Bryant still puts up good numbers, but they have been down since his peak. He seems like a guy you may regret giving a long term deal fairly soon. There just is something about him that makes me think you always will expect more. I don't disagree. I think he benefitted a lot however from Cubs showcasing his positional versatility. He really is a tremendous athlete. I wouldn't want to pay bryce harper money for Bryant. Really the best case scenario with him is you get a large contract with an opt out and he plays amazing and opts out. But more likely he injures his arm and you have a start to gulp pretty quickly. You do worry he ends up as this Evan Longoria type for years, but so hard not to look at and think each year they go back to that bankable production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I don't really see the Kris Bryant fit other than some Sox fans fascination with the Cubs, and inability to survey the rest of the league. For one, he is going to be well outside of the Sox budget, and while he fills a need in RF and theoretically would be a better option than sticking a shitty lefty bat in RF (ala Adam Eaton) purely for handedness, he doesn't solve a lot of the issues the Sox need the their new RF to help fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 35 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: What do you do with Vaughn with Schwarber? Is he traded? In my dream scenario they all play together like a bunch of happy Bob Ross trees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I don't really see the Kris Bryant fit other than some Sox fans fascination with the Cubs, and inability to survey the rest of the league. For one, he is going to be well outside of the Sox budget, and while he fills a need in RF and theoretically would be a better option than sticking a shitty lefty bat in RF (ala Adam Eaton) purely for handedness, he doesn't solve a lot of the issues the Sox need the their new RF to help fix. Just to avoid the game of telephone, I don't think there is a chance in hell the sox sign bryant. Someone asked for dream acquisitions, and I was putting together what a "best free agent" list would be like without any constraints. My argument for Bryant would just be that if we addressed our RHP/contact/groundball issues with 2b and DH, then he would be the best RF acquisition in my opinion. And I actually think there are people who may say Marte maybe better or still stick with an upside play in conforto, and I think tha'ts interesting. But I still really like Bryant a lot. But no, the white sox are not getting Seager and Bryant and Schwarber and Max Scherzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 59 minutes ago, bmags said: Just to avoid the game of telephone, I don't think there is a chance in hell the sox sign bryant. Someone asked for dream acquisitions, and I was putting together what a "best free agent" list would be like without any constraints. My argument for Bryant would just be that if we addressed our RHP/contact/groundball issues with 2b and DH, then he would be the best RF acquisition in my opinion. And I actually think there are people who may say Marte maybe better or still stick with an upside play in conforto, and I think tha'ts interesting. But I still really like Bryant a lot. But no, the white sox are not getting Seager and Bryant and Schwarber and Max Scherzer To be clear, my post was in no way directed at you. Just get annoyed with the constant "how about (insert former or current Cubs player?)" comments on here. Bryant was just the latest one, along with Schwarber. Was Happ yesterday. Will be Baez tomorrow. Never ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: To be clear, my post was in no way directed at you. Just get annoyed with the constant "how about (insert former or current Cubs player?)" comments on here. Bryant was just the latest one, along with Schwarber. Was Happ yesterday. Will be Baez tomorrow. Never ends. To be fair, they are all really good players who would improve this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 The one reason I wouldn’t mind the Sox signing Bryant, who can play 5 positions, is to hear all my Cubs fan friends who have put him on the pedestal, tell me how much he sucks. Kind of like when my Illini friends were so butt hurt when Bill Self went to Kansas, suddenly the guy that was going to lead them to multiple championships, was a horrid coach who slept with cheerleaders and sorority ladies according to their very in tuned sources . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: To be fair, they are all really good players who would improve this team. Happ is not a really good player and Baez is a bad fit for this team IMO. The other two would be helpful though, but adding Schwarber only makes sense if trade Vaughn for someone like Lux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Happ is not a really good player and Baez is a bad fit for this team IMO. The other two would be helpful though, but adding Schwarber only makes sense if trade Vaughn for someone like Lux. Yeah, Happ can be left off, but Baez is a really good baseball player as well, and would improve the horrible IF defense a ton at 2B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Just now, southsider2k5 said: Yeah, Happ can be left off, but Baez is a really good baseball player as well, and would improve the horrible IF defense a ton at 2B. Fully agree on the defense, but he’s really not good against RHP and just feels like a guy that will get overpaid IMO. But damn, would Cubs fans riot if he joined the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Would love Willson Contreras. Would be a difference maker behind the plate, Grandal could catch Lynn and one more, DH/1B most other games. Both stay fresh. Thought Madrigal + Heuer for Contreras would have been a fair exchange in July, not sure if he was available. Sox should have been asking if he was. Young and healthy enough to extend for 2023. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Would love Willson Contreras. Would be a difference maker behind the plate, Grandal could catch Lynn and one more, DH/1B most other games. Both stay fresh. Thought Madrigal + Heuer for Contreras would have been a fair exchange in July, not sure if he was available. Sox should have been asking if he was. Young and healthy enough to extend for 2023. The phrases “overkill” and “diminishing returns” come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 4 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Yeah, Happ can be left off, but Baez is a really good baseball player as well, and would improve the horrible IF defense a ton at 2B. 4 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Happ is not a really good player Happ has yet to reach his potential but he is a SH and offers positional flexibility, not to mention 25 HRs last year. His career line compares favorably to Baez and he would come at a fraction of the cost. Career Javy Baez 8 yrs...264 .307 .477 .783 104 Career Ian Happ 5yrs. .241 .338 .467 .805 111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Can we just let Chris Getz play second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 7 hours ago, hi8is said: Can we just let Chris Getz play second? As long as he doesn't exchange "homophobic" pleasantries writing in the dirt with Beckham again...well, that one was all on Gordo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 The FA pool isn’t very good. Its looking like the Sox have to go the trade route if they want to make some serious acquisitions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Joshua Strong said: The FA pool isn’t very good. Its looking like the Sox have to go the trade route if they want to make some serious acquisitions. ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: The FA pool isn’t very good. Its looking like the Sox have to go the trade route if they want to make some serious acquisitions. Did you not even look at the FA market? It's literally loaded. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 18 hours ago, ron883 said: Moncada to 2nd, Burger to 3rd, Eloy in LF and Vaughn in RF. Defense won't matter with all the runs this team will score. You can't win by only out-slugging teams. From 2001-04, the Sox hit a ton of home runs and won nothing. The idea of Eloy in left and Vaughn in right is scary. And scary for the wrong reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleedawg Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 18 hours ago, ron883 said: Moncada to 2nd, Burger to 3rd, Eloy in LF and Vaughn in RF. Defense won't matter with all the runs this team will score. So we get worse defensively at 2 positions (2b, & 3b) and move Moncada to a more physically demanding position for a guy who gets ouchie a lot. All for Burger's small sample size of hitting well in the big leagues means he will continue to hit. This is ignoring that right before he was sent down he was having trouble laying off/hitting sliders. Burger's value will likely never be higher than it is now. Trade him in a package with Keuchel to get rid of dallas and bring back a defensive 2nd catcher and or relief pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, kleedawg said: So we get worse defensively at 2 positions (2b, & 3b) and move Moncada to a more physically demanding position for a guy who gets ouchie a lot. All for Burger's small sample size of hitting well in the big leagues means he will continue to hit. This is ignoring that right before he was sent down he was having trouble laying off/hitting sliders. Burger's value will likely never be higher than it is now. Trade him in a package with Keuchel to get rid of dallas and bring back a defensive 2nd catcher and or relief pitcher. You can’t trade a Top 5 draft pick for that return when you can easily find it in FA… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Just now, caulfield12 said: You can’t trade a Top 5 draft pick for that return when you can easily find it in FA… who is a top 5 draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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