Balta1701 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: I would blame him too. My point was it is not just his decision alone as implied by the post that he the dinosaur is the reason. You should read between the lines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: https://www.mlb.com/news/featured/white-sox-changed-comiskey-park-dimensions-for-more-home-runs I don't know if Tony is a "pioneer" but he certainly has shown a willingness to use analytics throughout his career. Interesting article ^ We're really reaching with the term advanced analytics and the distance of the fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, ptatc said: Are the advanced scouts the same? Are the people in the analytics department the same? These decisions aren't made by one person without input from others. Yes, Tony has shown a real willingness to listen to others thoughts and ideas throughout his career. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrankinSox Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: We're really reaching with the term advanced analytics and the distance of the fence. The point is as far back as the early 80s, Tony was willing to let "nerds" help him make baseball decisions. He isn't some hard-ass, old school TWTW guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, KrankinSox said: The point is as far back as the early 80s, Tony was willing to let "nerds" help him make baseball decisions. He isn't some hard-ass, old school TWTW guy. His teams had some dynamite chemists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Gotta love how so many people here know with absolute certainty the inner workings of the White Sox organization. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrankinSox Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: His teams had some dynamite chemists. So did every manager in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tony Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 33 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: We would have lost to the Astros no matter who was managing. This isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement for Tony La Russa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: The point is as far back as the early 80s, Tony was willing to let "nerds" help him make baseball decisions. He isn't some hard-ass, old school TWTW guy. And who’s to say he hasn’t tried to bring the game back to the good ole days by minimizing the number of shifts his team would do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Hernandez Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 This year, both regular season and post, he made more bad decisions than good. He isnt up to speed. We will still be a top regular season team in spite of him as long as Gio, Lynn, and Cease are good. Hell DK can be good again? Moncada can be better. Robert and Grandal can be healthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, fathom said: And who’s to say he hasn’t tried to bring the game back to the good ole days by minimizing the number of shifts his team would do You know there are a number of pitchers who do not like the defense to shift, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, ptatc said: Are the advanced scouts the same? Are the people in the analytics department the same? These decisions aren't made by one person without input from others. Yes I'm sure the White Sox fired everybody or gave alot of those guys different roles one year later... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 This is nothing to lose sleep over as it was inevitable he was coming back. Just need Hahn to amass enough talent to overcome La Russa’s poor decision-making. Hopefully he does better this offseason than at the trade deadline. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: You know there are a number of pitchers who do not like the defense to shift, right? But hasn’t shifting around the league been more effective than harmful. I made this point the other day, but I can’t imagine how bad the defensive stats for the team would have been if the pitchers didn’t strikeout so many hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: This is nothing to lose sleep over as it was inevitable he was coming back. Just need Hahn to amass enough talent to overcome La Russa’s poor decision-making. Hopefully he does better this offseason than at the trade deadline. This. Tony sucks, but talent wins out. Hahn absolutely shit the bed during this trade deadline. Jerry needs to open the checkbook and Hahn needs to have one hell of an offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: You know there are a number of pitchers who do not like the defense to shift, right? So, they don't run the team. Tell them to shut the fuck up and worry about pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, fathom said: But hasn’t shifting around the league been more effective than harmful. I made this point the other day, but I can’t imagine how bad the defensive stats for the team would have been if the pitchers didn’t strikeout so many hitters. I don't know, has it? I haven't seen anything on this year but I thought previous years babip has been fairly normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: So, they don't run the team. Tell them to shut the fuck up and worry about pitching. Cool, bruh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I don't know, has it? I haven't seen anything on this year but I thought previous years babip has been fairly normal. I've explained why, given the volume of balls in play and the amount of plays that are effected by the shift (there has been a very small decrease in BABIP), but there's no point in presenting it to you since you're not really one who is willing to listen and understand the math behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: Hopefully we still have talent left here in 2024 that can win. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, chetkincaid said: They’re not going to say they don’t want him back - even if they didn’t. I have a very hard time seeing someone as strong minded as Tim Anderson lie about something because he thinks his bosses will be mad if he doesnt say what they want to hear. Typing it out now, it makes even less sense to think about! The Tim Anderson... suddenly a Yes man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: This team won’t win under La Russa unless he becomes just a figurehead in the dugout while smarter, younger people run the team in the background. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) Cardinals fire Shildt, even after the absurd finish they had to the season. Meanwhile, in Chicago, we continue to settle for mediocrity. Which is why the Cardinals are a great organization, and the White Sox are a joke. Edited October 15, 2021 by Paulie4Pres 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, chetkincaid said: This team won’t win under La Russa unless he becomes just a figurehead in the dugout while smarter, younger people run the team in the background. Which his ego is too big for. Instead we are going to waste our window we waited years for. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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