southsider2k5 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I cant see the Sox offering him a QO with his health issues. That number was 18.9 mil last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Not accepting it doesn't mean he isn't healthy. They might just not trust him to stay healthy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriendlyNorthsider Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) Damned if you do, damned if you dont. I think that Rodon would likely accept the QO if offered. Maybe someone is willing to offer him 3/60 this off season (assuming the Sox havent made a similar offer). That said, if Rodon replicates this seasons results next year, he goes into free agency as a 30 year old with around 800 career innings with no draft pick compensation attached to him. Not offering the QO would mean losing a 5.0 WAR pitcher for nothing. Going for Stroman, Ray, Scherzer, etc. would be much more expensive and long term proposition. I think there are serious questions about whether the Sox can depend on Kopech to make starts in 2022 and it seems exceedingly unlikely that Crochet will be a starter. Making the wrong call on Rodon's health would be pretty catastrophic. The Sox now have some expensive players on the books in Abreu (19.6M), Lynn (18.5M), Grandal (18.2M), Keuchel (18M), Moncada (13.8M), and Hendricks (13.3M) all over the 10M threshold. The Sox also have an $16M option on Kimbrel to decide on. If the Sox pick up Kimbrel's option that puts them at $136M for Abreu, Lynn, Grandal, Keuchel, Moncada, Hendricks, Kimbrel, and Rodon. Factoring in TA (9.5M), Gio (8M give or take), Eloy (6.5M), and Robert the Sox are now at $166M. Picking up Hernandez's option, and bringing back ReyLo and Engel puts you at around $178M. The Sox would essentially have to run it back with the same squad in 2022, but would go into 2023 with Keuchel, Abreu, Rodon, and Kimbrel's money off the books. In a vacuum, I think the Rodon QO and the Kimbrel option would both be favorable for the Sox; however, selecting both would be a bold use of limited financial space in 2022. All of that being said. if the Sox believe that Rodon will be healthy in 2022, then you have to extend the QO. You simply cant get that upside for 18M, while also keeping the 2023 budget flexible. Edited October 17, 2021 by FriendlyNorthsider 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I would be way more likely to give Rodon a QO than to pick up Kimbrel's option. Get rid of Kimbrel and Hernandez, that more than pays for Rodon even if he accepts. Boras clients rarely accept the QO, so I would definitely factor that in. Of course, I did not like the Kimbrel trade on the day it was made. (Or the Hernandez trade for that matter.) But it never occurred to me that it would turn out as bad as it turned out to be. Kimbrel leaves a bad taste in the mouth. They should be done with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashman Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Everyone better get ready for an offseason of no spending. There is no way Jerry gives Hahn more money if he offers the QO as well as Kimbrel's option. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I would like to see it offered, risk outweighs the loss of a TOR starter. If he doesnt accept we get a pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Maybe @ptatc can weigh in, but I'd think there is a difference between his arm just got fatigued due to the high workload or his arm actually suffered damage at the end of the season. If it's the former, an offseason training program ought to help him do more next year. Only needs a 15% increase over 2021 to reach 150 innings in 2022. You absolutely give the QO if you think he can give you that next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Hahn needs his checkbook and phone privileges revoked. Full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Offer the QO. His arm held up way better than we could have ever expected for 130+ innings, and he was elite. With no structural damage, this season could have helped build back his arm strength along with another offseason program similar to last offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colome's Hat Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Sambuca said: Offer the QO. His arm held up way better than we could have ever expected for 130+ innings, and he was elite. With no structural damage, this season could have helped build back his arm strength along with another offseason program similar to last offseason. Worst comes to worst, we open with 6 starting pitchers and I'm fine with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, CentralChamps21 said: Maybe @ptatc can weigh in, but I'd think there is a difference between his arm just got fatigued due to the high workload or his arm actually suffered damage at the end of the season. If it's the former, an offseason training program ought to help him do more next year. Only needs a 15% increase over 2021 to reach 150 innings in 2022. You absolutely give the QO if you think he can give you that next year. This is what I’m thinking. Guy only threw 40 innings total previous two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Sambuca said: Offer the QO. His arm held up way better than we could have ever expected for 130+ innings, and he was elite. The way I look at it, if he can repeat 2021 19 million is a bargain. He was worth 5 WAR for us which is just outstanding. Even with 3 WAR thats good right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 We can’t have Rodon at 18 million and Kimbrel at 16 million, both of those really cripple our payroll, I assume 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Whatever they do it will turn out wrong. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 there aren't going to be any updates on contract offers until after the new CBA right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Texsox said: Whatever they do it will turn out wrong. This is asinine. Nothing they have done shows otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: This is asinine. Nothing they have done shows otherwise It's just our bad luck. Like trading for the top relief pitcher in the NL who shits the bed the rest of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Should Rodon get a QO? Yes Should ron get a QO? Absolutely not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) First rule of being a White Sox fan: Murphy was an optimist. Edited October 18, 2021 by Jack Parkman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 They'll offer him the QO. The interesting part will be whether he accepts it. He was a 5 fWAR pitcher this year. If he does that again, he's looking at like a 6/150 deal next offseason. Either way, it's a win for the Sox. They'll either have Rodon again on a bargain salary or they'll get a 2nd rounder when he declines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Yeah you guys are starting to way overthink things. It's a 1 year deal regardless. Kinda sucks for carlos having to make this decision right before CBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: They'll offer him the QO. The interesting part will be whether he accepts it. He was a 5 fWAR pitcher this year. If he does that again, he's looking at like a 6/150 deal next offseason. Either way, it's a win for the Sox. They'll either have Rodon again on a bargain salary or they'll get a 2nd rounder when he declines. I could definitely see him taking it and building his up innings up and value to be a free agent after 2022 at that $18.4 mill (or whatever it is) salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 If his injury was fatigue, it's a no brainer to offer it to him. If it's something else, it's a no brainer to pass. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 59 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: They'll offer him the QO. The interesting part will be whether he accepts it. He was a 5 fWAR pitcher this year. If he does that again, he's looking at like a 6/150 deal next offseason. Either way, it's a win for the Sox. They'll either have Rodon again on a bargain salary or they'll get a 2nd rounder when he declines. This is where I am at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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