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pcq Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 A number of teams are not open for minor league players which is a terrible nasty move. Shameful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, pcq said: A number of teams are not open for minor league players which is a terrible nasty move. Shameful. Pointless...just hurting themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Why? Because it's "start losing revenue time"? How about this: if the owners were worried about losing some game revenue, why didn't they start negotiating in earnest until games were actually in danger of being cancelled? Hint: because they aren't worried about losing games. They’re very worried about no playoff expansion. MLBPA has made it very clear that there will be no expanded playoffs unless they play 162. Urgency for the owners 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Harry Chappas Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Why would the MLBPA care about the size of the minor leagues and I would have thought they would want the number of options decreased but I also didn't really understand why the MLBPA care about an international draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 11 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: They’re very worried about no playoff expansion. MLBPA has made it very clear that there will be no expanded playoffs unless they play 162. Urgency for the owners I know there’s still time left, but the reports on the offer yesterday don’t sell “urgency”. No motion on the luxury tax, legitimately gave money on the arbitration pool but only a small step. We might not be able to guess the exact particulars, but I think you and I could sit down at a bar table, make educated guesses on the arbitration pool, luxury tax, and revenue sharing amounts and come within a couple percent of where they actually wind up. Urgency is making a legit move into that area (for either side I should add). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I know there’s still time left, but the reports on the offer yesterday don’t sell “urgency”. No motion on the luxury tax, legitimately gave money on the arbitration pool but only a small step. We might not be able to guess the exact particulars, but I think you and I could sit down at a bar table, make educated guesses on the arbitration pool, luxury tax, and revenue sharing amounts and come within a couple percent of where they actually wind up. Urgency is making a legit move into that area (for either side I should add). Why would you think either side is going to come up with something anywhere near their best offer until there are a couple of seconds left on the clock? Edited February 22, 2022 by Dick Allen 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Why would you think either side is going to come up with something anywhere near their best offer until there are a couple of seconds left on the clock? Then by definition there is not “urgency”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Then by definition there is not “urgency”. You read way too much into very little information. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Then by definition there is not “urgency”. It's urgency compared to December and January. This is coming down to the deadline for a full season and probably beyond that. I am sure the owners believe they can still get expanded playoffs in 2022 without playing 162. They will give in a bit somewhere else to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Why would you think either side is going to come up with something anywhere near their best offer until there are a couple of seconds left on the clock? Hammer meet nail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Yea there's real urgency that's why the owners are making sure guys have access to the team facilities because you wouldn't want to delay things any longer. Luckily once a deal is made the players will already have been swinging and throwing and will be ready to start playing warmup games. Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Yea there's real urgency that's why the owners are making sure guys have access to the team facilities because you wouldn't want to delay things any longer. Luckily once a deal is made the players will already have been swinging and throwing and will be ready to start playing warmup games. Right. Wait, what? Since when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, southsider2k5 said: Wait, what? Since when? Green font! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: Green font! Ah, missed it, my bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Harry Chappas said: Why would the MLBPA care about the size of the minor leagues and I would have thought they would want the number of options decreased but I also didn't really understand why the MLBPA care about an international draft. Just something to give up in later negotiations much like the players giving up on free agency after 2 years. Neither was ever a serious want IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: Yea there's real urgency that's why the owners are making sure guys have access to the team facilities because you wouldn't want to delay things any longer. Luckily once a deal is made the players will already have been swinging and throwing and will be ready to start playing warmup games. Right. I think you're being sarcastic but union players are not allowed at team facilities during the lockout. Owners should definitely be making the facilities available for the minor leaguers/non-40 man guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 @Chisoxfn made a great comment in the settlement thread. Could you owners be angling for a late start, shorter season (150 games) and expanded playoffs? Call it temporary for this year then make it permanent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Texsox said: @Chisoxfn made a great comment in the settlement thread. Could you owners be angling for a late start, shorter season (150 games) and expanded playoffs? Call it temporary for this year then make it permanent. It's a really dumb idea to give up revenue from 12 games and still pay players the same amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: It's a really dumb idea to give up revenue from 12 games and still pay players the same amount. Perhaps not with an additional playoff round. Plus we're not certain MLB is being smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Texsox said: Perhaps not with an additional playoff round. Plus we're not certain MLB is being smart. But they could have both. Why leave 12 games of revenue on the table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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