Ducksnort Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 It's going to take a long time for these two sides to come to an agreement with how far apart they are on big issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tnetennba Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 The owners did this. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, wegner said: Not sure I really like the way it has been with the 1 and done wild card game, so I don't have a problem with the top 2 teams getting a bye and the others playing a 3 game series if that is how it will be constructed. I agree with this 100%. This is a good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chisoxfn Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, hogan873 said: If MLB is truly okay with cancelling a month of games, I think that's what we're going to see. Who knows when they'll actually get together again and negotiate. Question is, will the league cancel games in blocks of one week or just cancel games until May 1st? They will state a block - but really it is just a game of chicken to see how hard the players are. If the players stonewall - at some point we will see both sides come back to the table and we'll see a bigger move to the middle. This is the unfortunate reality given how contentious the two sides were, most notably the fact the owners have a split faction so it is really the players having to negotiate with two distinct factions. If it weren't for the small market teams - I am sure a deal would have been done a while ago - but those teams have power and have clearly dug in (probably because they are very profitable and have more razor thin margins so when you make this moves it is probably a situation where you are literally taking their bottom line from them). Say the small market team pulled in $30M of net income - you make a change that reduces it by $10M - you just cut their net bottom line by 1/3rd (which hurts - so the top line # may be small - but the bottom line impact is felt more significantly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 This is the next step - the players are going to paint the owners into a big corner - but meanwhile play tough internally and wait until the owners come back with a new proposal. That will be the next olive branch that happens - the only question is whether it happens again later tonight (after they cancel a block of regular season games or if they will have a more current counter). My guess (probably wrong is) owners will cancel, wait to see how players react...when players go silent and continue the charge on owners ruining game - we will see owners try to make an effort when they see how serious the players are (and I do believe the players are serious). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 So, when they cancel games, does that mean everyone else doesn't get paid? Coaches, training staff, stadium staff, t.v. analysts. What about those t.v deals with the RSNs who now have to fill their channels with some other content that won't get nearly as many viewers. Like...what happens with all this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: This is the next step - the players are going to paint the owners into a big corner - but meanwhile play tough internally and wait until the owners come back with a new proposal. That will be the next olive branch that happens - the only question is whether it happens again later tonight (after they cancel a block of regular season games or if they will have a more current counter). My guess (probably wrong is) owners will cancel, wait to see how players react...when players go silent and continue the charge on owners ruining game - we will see owners try to make an effort when they see how serious the players are (and I do believe the players are serious). I too believe the players are serious. I don't see the owners coming back any time soon, not for at least a month. This might be a very long standoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Manfred supposed to address media at 5:00. Here we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: So, when they cancel games, does that mean everyone else doesn't get paid? Coaches, training staff, stadium staff, t.v. analysts. What about those t.v deals with the RSNs who now have to fill their channels with some other content that won't get nearly as many viewers. Like...what happens with all this? Coaches & trainers are probably on contract, so they probably still get paid? Stadium staff etc are all boned in the meantime. Networks are likely scrambling to fill the programming gaps now. This is the ugly fallout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: Manfred supposed to address media at 5:00. Here we go. He's not going to be able to say anything that doesn't make him look like an asshat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, Tnetennba said: Coaches & trainers are probably on contract, so they probably still get paid? Stadium staff etc are all boned in the meantime. Networks are likely scrambling to fill the programming gaps now. This is the ugly fallout. The athletic trainers will work with the minor league players. They get injured too. In fact, they are already at Spring Training. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 How much is MiLB TV? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: Manfred supposed to address media at 5:00. Here we go. That's a really bad sign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: So, when they cancel games, does that mean everyone else doesn't get paid? Coaches, training staff, stadium staff, t.v. analysts. What about those t.v deals with the RSNs who now have to fill their channels with some other content that won't get nearly as many viewers. Like...what happens with all this? Contract staff is fine, salaried staff are fine until they decide to lay people off, seasonal staff are screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, southsider2k5 said: That's a really bad sign. Yup. As I said before any of this started, with Boras running the players this was probably going to be a bad one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 40 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: His history. Jerry thinks he owns a mid-market team. Jerry only re-signs his players if they'll give a hometown discount. They have never actually signed a 9 figure contract. (I know about Wheeler) I don't know for sure that he's in the asshole owner group but I am very suspicious. It's a lazy assumption based on no actual evidence, other than anecdotal connections. If his name was actually out there, or if the Sox status actually fit into the group of owners that is supposed to be leading this charge, that is one thing, but until then, eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: Manfred supposed to address media at 5:00. Here we go. I hate listening to that jackass talk... and this time it will be his worst... which says a LOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 Honestly, if we are going to lose games, I hope the players pull up stakes and move back to a deal which really benefits them. Might as well make this lockout worth it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 i dont know why anyone would want to spend their money on MLB anymore. Stop buying their crap, stop going to their overpriced games, stop buying their $8 bottles of water. Let them know who is really in charge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, reiks12 said: i dont know why anyone would want to spend their money on MLB anymore. Stop buying their crap, stop going to their overpriced games, stop buying their $8 bottles of water. Let them know who is really in charge Not buying anything this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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