Two-Gun Pete Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: https://chicago.suntimes.com/2015/9/14/18538649/the-white-sox-were-scared-off-of-starling-marte-because-of-gun-incident Three things: 1. Holy shit. 2. Yeah, I think I was still on WSI, so of course I missed that. 3. I can't imagine anyone, other than the corrupt turds working that system, wanting to keep it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) It’s official. April 14…they’re never going to figure this out on their own. Edited March 9, 2022 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Three things: 1. Holy shit. 2. Yeah, I think I was still on WSI, so of course I missed that. 3. I can't imagine anyone, other than the corrupt turds working that system, wanting to keep it that way. I’m convinced neither side wants a fair deal and only wants one they clearly win. Edited March 9, 2022 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jack Parkman Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Jack, two questions: 1. How would your proposed solution differ from the current, exploitative system? 2. More importantly, how would your proposal, IN ANY WAY, prevent abuses, prevent child exploitation, and end "pre-agreements" and other under the table gamesmanship? I'm talking about eliminating the domestic draft. MLB could bust the Buscones if they wanted to. They don't, because allowing it saves them money. It is my opinion that in a system dominated by owners, that the players should be allowed to choose where they pursue their dream. The corruption in Latin America needs to end. No arguments there. I completely agree with everyone else on that. I disagree that an international draft is the answer or a good idea. Edited March 9, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, raBBit said: I wouldn't call that sneaking it in though. Just their negotiation plan. Probably did it because the players' position on this specific issue doesn't make a ton of sense. The only argument against the international draft is doing it too soon. People are flipping on the players over this. If this breaks down the negotiations it will be ugly. Of course they are. MLB planned it that way (they're good at this). Drafts are fun! and no one gives a shit about a bunch of latin teenagers anyway. Just agree to it and give me my baseball back! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) They are never going to agree on anything. Might as well cancel the season. Edited March 9, 2022 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Just now, maloney.adam said: They are never going to agree to anything. Might as well cancel the season. I don’t see what’s going to change in the next few weeks regarding international draft issue. Personally, I have no desire to get invested in a season of 60-100 games again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fathom Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 And now we get to hear about how players will want to be paid for 162 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Players that had the pandemic year and this year are really going to have to give up a measurable percentage of their career earnings. The mid-level and lower salaried players have to be near their wits end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ptatc Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, fathom said: And now we get to hear about how players will want to be paid for 162 games. Just to complicate the negotiations more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Sacamano Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, fathom said: I don’t see what’s going to change in the next few weeks regarding international draft issue. Personally, I have no desire to get invested in a season of 60-100 games again. I feel you on that one. Once in extreme circumstances like a pandemic it was fine, but not under this circumstance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) Kind of amazing how willingly the MLBPA has given away the rights and earnings of American amateur players yet drew a weird hard line stance for foreign amateurs. I don't think they should give away $'s and etc for American amateurs but it is definitely weird. Edit: they were literally willing to harm members salaries with the QO for amateur foreign players not succumbing to a draft. Edited March 9, 2022 by Look at Ray Ray Run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Two-Gun Pete Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Thats disappointing. Most of those kids being exploited won't end up as good as Nomar Mazara, or Micker Adolfo. And trying to forecast them at 12, 13, or 14 what they'll become as grown men is nigh-impossible. If MLBPA don't want a draft, given that it seems to work elsewhere in sports, then they should come up with a solution for the current corrupt system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Kind of amazing how willingly the MLBPA has given away the rights and earnings of American amateur players yet drew a weird hard line stance for foreign amateurs. I don't think they should give away $'s and etc for American amateurs but it is definitely weird. Thank you..... The draft existed before the MLBPA though. I think that has a lot to do with it. If the MLBPA existed and Curt Flood had done his thing before there was a draft, I don't think there would have been one. Edited March 9, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Are MiLB players even a part of the union? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, fathom said: The union is getting blasted for this. I can’t believe something that makes so much sense due to the corruption is causing all these issues. It’s really fucking stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 I'd be fine with a May to August regular season and finish the playoffs by October 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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