Bob Sacamano Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Figured this ws worth sharing (maybe not). MLB Owners' Net Worth. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/12/mlb-owners-net-worth.html#comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 3 hours ago, poppysox said: The number of players willing to sacrifice a full year of their short careers will be very small indeed. Those long-term gains you speak of would perhaps benefit future players but not many players who are currently in the system. Employees frequently accept deals that create different classes of employees for current and future employees. Employees always seem to vote to improve their current situation rather than strike for future generations. This has happened in many industries including auto and airlines to name a few. I just don't believe that the majority of players are feeling badly treated and underpaid. You do know that improving current situations improves the situation for future generations vs. stagnation, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Every team has a player rep and 8 players on the executive committee. Scott Boras players are well represented on the executive committee. Andrew Miller Max Scherzer (Boras) Francisco Lindor Marcus Semien (Boras) Zack Britton (Boras) James Paxton (Boras) Jason Castro Gerrit Cole (Boras) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 46 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Every team has a player rep and 8 players on the executive committee. Scott Boras players are well represented on the executive committee. Andrew Miller Max Scherzer (Boras) Francisco Lindor Marcus Semien (Boras) Zack Britton (Boras) James Paxton (Boras) Jason Castro Gerrit Cole (Boras) Chris Rose just had a long podcast with Semien, Giolito and Britton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Sooooooo boooooooored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 5 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: If this were even remotely true, they would have caved to the owners demands months ago and avoided a lockout entirely. Watch! It's far more than remotely true. The Kris Brandt thing is their most legitimate complaint and that affects relatively few people. Literally, no one from the White Sox has been jerked around over the qualifying time issue. As a matter of fact...many posters blame the WS for not playing the qualifying time game with Kopech. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, poppysox said: Watch! It's far more than remotely true. The Kris Brandt thing is their most legitimate complaint and that affects relatively few people. Literally, no one from the White Sox has been jerked around over the qualifying time issue. As a matter of fact...many posters blame the WS for not playing the qualifying time game with Kopech. Even Uncle Tom is impressed by this sellout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Even Uncle Tom is impressed by this sellout. What sellout are you referring to? Am I supposed to support employees against employers just because you say so? Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong. Perhaps you should try to understand the other guy's point of view. All I hear from you is owners are bad and the players are good kind of claptrap. By the way...this Uncle Tom nonsense is for people unable to defend their point of view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 minute ago, poppysox said: What sellout are you referring to? Am I supposed to support employees against employers just because you say so? Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong. Perhaps you should try to understand the other guy's point of view. All I hear from you is owners are bad and the players are good kind of claptrap. By the way...this Uncle Tom nonsense is for people unable to defend their point of view. So wait, is it that the players aren't tough enough to wait out the owners, or are you actually trying to suggest that the players don't have a point in what they are pursuing? Because if it he the latter, Uncle Tom is probably too soft of a description of your stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Uncle Tom? Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So wait, is it that the players aren't tough enough to wait out the owners, or are you actually trying to suggest that the players don't have a point in what they are pursuing? Because if it he the latter, Uncle Tom is probably too soft of a description of your stance. Assume the latter is true. Go ahead, give us your description of his stance in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunt Ritual Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 53 minutes ago, poppysox said: Watch! It's far more than remotely true. The Kris Brandt thing is their most legitimate complaint and that affects relatively few people. Literally, no one from the White Sox has been jerked around over the qualifying time issue. As a matter of fact...many posters blame the WS for not playing the qualifying time game with Kopech. This isn't really true. It was more than implied that they would play these games with Eloy and Robert if they didn't sign those extensions before their respective debut seasons started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Bunt Ritual said: This isn't really true. It was more than implied that they would play these games with Eloy and Robert if they didn't sign those extensions before their respective debut seasons started. Kopech? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunt Ritual Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, poppysox said: Kopech? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a moot point. They regained a year of control because of his TJS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunt Ritual Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) and regardless of how often that loophole is exercised, it needs to be closed if only for the reason that it robs the fans who spend money on this god forsaken league of watching this sport at its best. Edited December 29, 2021 by Bunt Ritual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bunt Ritual said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a moot point. They regained a year of control because of his TJS. No they didn’t. He gained a year of service sitting on the MLB IL for the season. Edited December 29, 2021 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 37 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So wait, is it that the players aren't tough enough to wait out the owners, or are you actually trying to suggest that the players don't have a point in what they are pursuing? Because if it he the latter, Uncle Tom is probably too soft of a description of your stance. Who said anything about tough enough? I am saying that most players have little to gain by going to the mat over the arbitration issue that unfairly screwed over Kris Brandt. I think some language can fix that issue since it happens very infrequently. As I have said many times...most of these issues like universal DH are going to be passed with little opposition. Ironically...the biggest injustice I see in baseball is in minor league compensation and living conditions. This work stoppage has nothing to do with fixing that situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bunt Ritual said: and regardless of how often that loophole is exercised, it needs to be closed if only for the reason that it robs the fans who spend money on this god forsaken league of watching this sport at its best. No one is saying it shouldn't be closed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, poppysox said: Who said anything about tough enough? I am saying that most players have little to gain by going to the mat over the arbitration issue that unfairly screwed over Kris Brandt. I think some language can fix that issue since it happens very infrequently. As I have said many times...most of these issues like universal DH are going to be passed with little opposition. Ironically...the biggest injustice I see in baseball is in minor league compensation and living conditions. This work stoppage has nothing to do with fixing that situation. Compensation is ALWAYS the number 1 issue. It's the number one issue here. It is the reason that the owners locked out the players. The owners do not want to give up the gains they have obtained over recent years. The players want to clawback some of what they have lost, and maybe even get a bigger piece of the pie then what they even historically had. The other things are derivations of the compensation issue. And its right here if you don't want to believe me. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/12/2021-leaguewide-player-payroll-reportedly-down-4-relative-to-2019.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Compensation is ALWAYS the number 1 issue. It's the number one issue here. It is the reason that the owners locked out the players. The owners do not want to give up the gains they have obtained over recent years. The players want to clawback some of what they have lost, and maybe even get a bigger piece of the pie then what they even historically had. The other things are derivations of the compensation issue. And its right here if you don't want to believe me. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/12/2021-leaguewide-player-payroll-reportedly-down-4-relative-to-2019.html I give up...the lockout will go on indefinitely. Thanks for the enlightenment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, poppysox said: I give up...the lockout will go on indefinitely. Thanks for the enlightenment. This is such an odd bridge to die on. No one has said this, but you. Apparently it is either settle now, or go on forever? You said the players didn't have any real legitimate reasons to be fighting for more gains, and yet when shown exactly why, this is the reaction. And you wonder why you got the response you did earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 The Sox definitely did the extra year of control with Madrigal. Like, hilariously so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is such an odd bridge to die on. No one has said this, but you. Apparently it is either settle now, or go on forever? You said the players didn't have any real legitimate reasons to be fighting for more gains, and yet when shown exactly why, this is the reaction. And you wonder why you got the response you did earlier. I didn't say anything about legitimate reasons to fight for more gains. I have said repeatedly that "the average player" feels well paid IMO and doesn't want to miss very many paychecks. This sitting out the year crap is just not going to happen. No one is dying on any bridge that I know of. I have stated my view until I have no other way to state it. Come back when the lock-out ends. In my view, it will be sooner than you think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 3 hours ago, fathom said: Chris Rose just had a long podcast with Semien, Giolito and Britton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, poppysox said: I didn't say anything about legitimate reasons to fight for more gains. I have said repeatedly that "the average player" feels well paid IMO and doesn't want to miss very many paychecks. This sitting out the year crap is just not going to happen. No one is dying on any bridge that I know of. I have stated my view until I have no other way to state it. Come back when the lock-out ends. In my view, it will be sooner than you think. Literally no one except you has said sit out the entire year. And what you have said about the players positions, speaks very clearly on what you think of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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