Ducksnort Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Maybe this time the players can bring donuts and coffee to sweeten the deal. Or bring a 6 pack for Manfred and they can get him drunk like he was at the 2020 WS on live TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, MiddleCoastBias said: Mark Appel with a good a thread about being a minor leaguer and what they need to be successful re: housing, food, and off-season training. Lays out a pretty decent proposal that makes a ton of sense from the practical perspective, but owners will hate from a financial perspective. https://twitter.com/markappel26/status/1493693618988720137?s=20&t=KaSaeV1eqf_cY7VrDvMcZA Great read. That said, it likely wouldn't even cost as much as he suggests to bring in a consultant sports dietitian and a food service team to do it. 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Want an example of a guy who had a bad offseason conditioning program and then his career completely changed when he improved that? Carlos Rodon. Suddenly a cy young caliber pitcher, after badly struggling with injuries Or Jake Burger. Perhaps we could have seen what he could have become years ago, had he been given a proper model to take care of his body. That said, the market often dictates these sorts of advancements. Investors are already shoveling cash at top prospects, in exchange for a percentage of their future earnings. TATIS owes an investment fund $27.5M, in exchange for cash to advance his offseason programs a few years back. But there is something of a pareto principle to what BLA do, in that they select the top prospects to fund. MLB orgs would be wise to support MiLBers system-wide. Unfortunately for us, this org seems to be laggards in adopting anything new. If MLB mandated improved treatment of MiLBers, the SOX would be in, but I doubt they'd do it of their own accord. Edited February 16, 2022 by Two-Gun Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 57 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Great read. That said, it likely wouldn't even cost as much as he suggests to bring in a consultant sports dietitian and a food service team to do it. Or Jake Burger. Perhaps we could have seen what he could have become years ago, had he been given a proper model to take care of his body. That said, the market often dictates these sorts of advancements. Investors are already shoveling cash at top prospects, in exchange for a percentage of their future earnings. TATIS owes an investment fund $27.5M, in exchange for cash to advance his offseason programs a few years back. But there is something of a pareto principle to what BLA do, in that they select the top prospects to fund. MLB orgs would be wise to support MiLBers system-wide. Unfortunately for us, this org seems to be laggards in adopting anything new. If MLB mandated improved treatment of MiLBers, the SOX would be in, but I doubt they'd do it of their own accord. We already know that MLB's draft is often a crapshoot, and guys with legit talent slip many rounds sometimes. Investors aren't going to give everyone in the draft money. Give these guys decent nutrition and coaching and see if any surprises happen by the time they're 25. One obvious example - here's a scrawny kid from Michigan who was drafted after some 200 people that year. Who would invest in this guy's future earnings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, poppysox said: Mediation was the way to go. The owners are not interested in mediation. They are interested in breaking the union. Edited February 16, 2022 by NWINFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Most of these owners are complete sociopaths and they love the feeling of having such control over the game, players, and fans. Its why they are in these positions to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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White Sox Park Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 If MLB continues their petty squabbles over money, at some point the fans are going to become indifferent to the sport, and that bigger piece of the pie that they are all fighting over, will no longer be there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, White Sox Park said: If MLB continues their petty squabbles over money, at some point the fans are going to become indifferent to the sport, and that bigger piece of the pie that they are all fighting over, will no longer be there. This couldn't have been said better. Time for people to think in much bigger terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 The owners are not looking honorable. They are union busting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 51 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Time between: Lockout and first owners proposal: 43 days First owners proposal and Union response: 11 days Union response and second owners proposal: 19 days Owners second proposal and Union response: 5 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, White Sox Park said: If MLB continues their petty squabbles over money, at some point the fans are going to become indifferent to the sport, and that bigger piece of the pie that they are all fighting over, will no longer be there. I dunno. I’ll watch baseball whenever it comes back, even if it took years. I just like watching this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 There's no way to force MLB owners to value wins over profits https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-lockout-theres-no-way-to-force-team-owners-to-put-wins-over-dollars-015040077.html Well-written article. Made me revisit the JR only will spend enough money to ensure the team's around 2nd place (well, that was the case until 2016/17) each and every year, which was basically the Sox philosophy from the late 90's until two decades later, mostly under KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Over/under 1 hour 10 minute meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Over/under 1 hour 10 minute meeting? I’ll be surprised if it lasts an hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Time between: Lockout and first owners proposal: 43 days First owners proposal and Union response: 11 days Union response and second owners proposal: 19 days Owners second proposal and Union response: 5 days Those numbers are trending in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 13 hours ago, caulfield12 said: There's no way to force MLB owners to value wins over profits https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-lockout-theres-no-way-to-force-team-owners-to-put-wins-over-dollars-015040077.html Well-written article. Made me revisit the JR only will spend enough money to ensure the team's around 2nd place (well, that was the case until 2016/17) each and every year, which was basically the Sox philosophy from the late 90's until two decades later, mostly under KW. Interesting article and another indication of why I am against expanded playoffs. If profits can be truly gained without winning, there is less incentive for owners to build a solid team when so-so teams can make the playoffs. Then the owners can tell fans they got their teams into the post-season and act like they want to win when they really don't care. At this point, we fans are truly spectators with no influence. If we really mattered, Spring Training would have started on time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdGen Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 16 hours ago, Jerksticks said: I dunno. I’ll watch baseball whenever it comes back, even if it took years. I just like watching this game. I'm with you on that. While the strike is annoying, I've never understood the logic behind: 1. I really enjoy watching baseball. 2. The owners and players are taking this away from me for some relatively short period of time because they are greedy jerks. 3. I'm going to punish them by permanently not doing something I enjoy. Most people will be back. Everyone involved knows it. And the ones that loudly proclaim boycotts are usually the ones that didn't really get into it in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ducksnort Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, ThirdGen said: I'm with you on that. While the strike is annoying, I've never understood the logic behind: 1. I really enjoy watching baseball. 2. The owners and players are taking this away from me for some relatively short period of time because they are greedy jerks. 3. I'm going to punish them by permanently not doing something I enjoy. Most people will be back. Everyone involved knows it. And the ones that loudly proclaim boycotts are usually the ones that didn't really get into it in the first place. You are probably right. But, it's starting to hit mainstream news. Just saw them mention it on ABC 7. Hopefully that creates pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balta1701 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: If this were in place for 2021, the Mariners and Blue Jays make the playoffs in the AL and the Reds and Phillies do in the NL. The Phillies won 82 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: If this were in place for 2021, the Mariners and Blue Jays make the playoffs in the AL and the Reds and Phillies do in the NL. The Phillies won 82 games. Harper, Guerrero Jr and ...the mariners in the playoffs is a better playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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