Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Everyone I talked to yesterday had completely lost all optimism in regards to starting on time. Last nights news is interesting though. The owners have to have expanded playoffs. They already have a deal with a network for it supposedly. The owners were/are willing to miss some games because they’d recoup the money during expanded playoffs. MLBPA saying they won’t approve it without playing 162 is a nice move. This could finally get the owners to negotiate seriously. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 8 hours ago, greg775 said: Baseball just makes the rules as they go along. Sad that they don't even have a postseason plan for this season yet. Manfred is a bad commish and baseball doesn't seem to care that its fans are old and younguns don't like baseball. Who is "baseball" in your scenario here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Everyone I talked to yesterday had completely lost all optimism in regards to starting on time. Last nights news is interesting though. The owners have to have expanded playoffs. They already have a deal with a network for it supposedly. The owners were/are willing to miss some games because they’d recoup the money during expanded playoffs. MLBPA saying they won’t approve it without playing 162 is a nice move. This could finally get the owners to negotiate seriously. It’s really the only card they have so hopefully it gets things moving. The fact the owners plan to negotiate daily next week is also a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 The players moved their queen. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 11 hours ago, Tnetennba said: It's the play they have to make and the smart lesson to learn from 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marqhead Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Was the expanded playoff format tweeted by Craig Carton backed up by anyone else? I couldn't find anything on the google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Play 162 games and your reward for winning 95 is basically the same as 83 or so in any sort of playoff expansion. So dumb. I am disgusted by everything about MLB. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: The players moved their queen. So the lockout is not just a negotiating tactic for players (which obviously hasn't worked like manbutt thought it would) but for big spending owners as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: So the lockout is not just a negotiating tactic for players (which obviously hasn't worked like manbutt thought it would) but for big spending owners as well? This is all about the small market owner v the big market owner. There only needs to be 8 dissenters from ownership. I would guess the players would take a hard cap with a ceiling and a floor but the floor would be the issue. The Pirates can suck forever getting extra picks and funding from the league. Who cares about the fans and the reality of the baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: The players moved their queen. If this works, then every single person that argued that the owners cared about anything other than money can take a massive L. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: This is all about the small market owner v the big market owner. There only needs to be 8 dissenters from ownership. I would guess the players would take a hard cap with a ceiling and a floor but the floor would be the issue. The Pirates can suck forever getting extra picks and funding from the league. Who cares about the fans and the reality of the baseball. I seriously doubt the players would take a hard cap unless the revenue split was pretty dramatically in their favor. That was literally the genesis of 1994 - JR will break the union and get his spending hard cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: Play 162 games and your reward for winning 95 is basically the same as 83 or so in any sort of playoff expansion. So dumb. I am disgusted by everything about MLB. Yup, 100%. Everything from the effects of expanded playoffs to small market teams refusing to spend to a floor and be competitive is pathetic… and then you have the whole minor league debacle… unbelievable. For the first time, it’s starting to make me reconsider following baseball as a hobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: Yup, 100%. Everything from the effects of expanded playoffs to small market teams refusing to spend to a floor and be competitive is pathetic… and then you have the whole minor league debacle… unbelievable. For the first time, it’s starting to make me reconsider following baseball as a hobby 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: Yup, 100%. Everything from the effects of expanded playoffs to small market teams refusing to spend to a floor and be competitive is pathetic… and then you have the whole minor league debacle… unbelievable. For the first time, it’s starting to make me reconsider following baseball as a hobby I will always love baseball, but with every passing year the MLB ownership collective gets worse and worse for the game. I can only hope that more Manfred ball 'innovations' don't completely ruin my enjoyment of MLB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 With a potential salary floor I for one am looking forward to seeing a 40-year-old player with 3 years / $150MM left on his contract sit on the 60-day IL of the Pirates or Marlins for the last years of his career... NHL style. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I think smaller clubs would say they've found ways to be competitive without spending so don't force them to. 2010s were a small market decade with Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Cincy, St Louis, Tampa, Minnesota and Cleveland all fielding successful eras and even several world series appearances between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 52 minutes ago, JoeC said: With a potential salary floor I for one am looking forward to seeing a 40-year-old player with 3 years / $150MM left on his contract sit on the 60-day IL of the Pirates or Marlins for the last years of his career... NHL style. While I would like to see this happen, there is no reason to think a salary floor will be showing up any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 Great "sense of urgency" there guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wegner Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Hey it’s a long offseason and these guys need to get their rest so that they are ready and healthy when it matters….I know that worked great for the White Sox last season. Process over outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Its just like college. Pay no attention all semester, then the night before the final realize you better start looking at this shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Its just like college. Pay no attention all semester, then the night before the final realize you better start looking at this shit. Yep, we know they are serious when they pull an all nighter....I'm sure that will produce a solution to make everyone happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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