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Marqhead Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: If they ended the lockout (or didn't lock the players out in the first place) would the season be played under the current collective bargaining agreement? Is that something the players are ok with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Marqhead said: If they ended the lockout (or didn't lock the players out in the first place) would the season be played under the current collective bargaining agreement? Is that something the players are ok with? Typically, in labor disputes, negotiations happen without a strike or lockout under the former agreement until they can reach an agreement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Does anyone (with the exception of some fans), even care about April ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 No sooner thanMarch 5th to start spring training, LMAO! Can someone hire me to write these PR releases? Otherwise the only fecal matter I get to spew on a daily basis gets flushed right down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, FoxForce2 said: Does anyone (with the exception of some fans), even care about April ball? You're kidding right? Spring training and opening day are arguably the most enjoyable part of the entire season. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, FoxForce2 said: Does anyone (with the exception of some fans), even care about April ball? The MLBPA just said that they won't sign off on expanded playoffs if they don't play 162, so I would venture that the players care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Tnetennba said: The MLBPA just said that they won't sign off on expanded playoffs if they don't play 162, so I would venture that the players care. Nice, go fuck yourselves MLB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: You're kidding right? Spring training and opening day are arguably the most enjoyable part of the entire season. Like I said ---'some fans'. Does TV? The owners? The players? Where is the money in April ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, FoxForce2 said: Like I said ---'some fans'. Does TV? The owners? The players? Where is the money in April ball? The money is in game checks. Owners don't care, but the players do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Tnetennba said: The money is in game checks. Owners don't care, but the players do. The in-game money can be truncated over the rest of the season. I like April ball, but it really isn't a priority to either the owners or players. Especially if it involves snow on the ground in Minnesota, Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City etc. Even TV numbers rate lower in April than May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, FoxForce2 said: The in-game money can be truncated over the rest of the season. I like April ball, but it really isn't a priority to either the owners or players. Especially if it involves snow on the ground in Minnesota, Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City etc. Even TV numbers rate lower in April than May. What evidence do you have to support the idea that April ball isn't important to the players? If it weren't, why would MLB be using the threat of a delayed season via a lockout to pressure MLBPA into capitulating to a worse deal than the last CBA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Here in Detroit, April ball (well, opening day week at least) is sacred. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I really don't think the players would report without a new agreement. Let's remember the current one exploits players, is horrible for the fans, and promotes tanking, encourages service time manipulation, etc. Why would they just head to camp? We would just go from lockout to strike. Which functionally is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 14 hours ago, Marqhead said: If they ended the lockout (or didn't lock the players out in the first place) would the season be played under the current collective bargaining agreement? Is that something the players are ok with? Yes, until right before the playoffs. Noone cares about strikes and lockouts during the offseason. The owners have the most power over the situation when many players don't have teams and players start missing paychecks. Players have the most leverage when the owners would miss the big money the playoffs create. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 15 hours ago, FoxForce2 said: The in-game money can be truncated over the rest of the season. I like April ball, but it really isn't a priority to either the owners or players. Especially if it involves snow on the ground in Minnesota, Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City etc. Even TV numbers rate lower in April than May. No it can't. To think every team loses money in April because the White Sox and rest of the low revenue ALCentral don't draw well in April is shortlisted. Many teams draw pretty well in April, not to mention their local TV contracts that won't pay teams for games not played. If they were going to miss games, I will give you they would chose April, but if all those games were money losers, the season would start later. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I mean April baseball definitely sucks. Every year I try to hold off until May, every year I can’t do it, go to a game in soaking wet weather while I wait 4 innings for a hot dog because the vendor staff isn’t up to speed yet. but most of that would just become May baseball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, bmags said: I mean April baseball definitely sucks. Every year I try to hold off until May, every year I can’t do it, go to a game in soaking wet weather while I wait 4 innings for a hot dog because the vendor staff isn’t up to speed yet. but most of that would just become May baseball When the hot chocolate and coffee vendors outnumber the beer vendors....you know you're at an April ballgame. We still have the large and very warm White Sox blanket from over 25 years ago that I bought my girlfriend (and now wife) from the gift shop when I took her to a game in April.....she no longer attends April baseball contests.....I can get her to go to a game in May if I pull the birthday card but it usually ends up being a pizza, couch and game on the TV date....and I've got a blanket for her if she gets chilly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Texsox said: I really don't think the players would report without a new agreement. Let's remember the current one exploits players, is horrible for the fans, and promotes tanking, encourages service time manipulation, etc. Why would they just head to camp? We would just go from lockout to strike. Which functionally is the same. If the owners offered to resume play this year under last years terms while negotiation were ongoing, the players would likely have accepted in November. I’m not sure whether they would now. BUT - this would be a huge risk to the owners. The players could play out most of the season and if talks weren’t progressing, they could vote for a strike to start in September. That would get the players over 80% of their season salaries, but cost the owners their playoff TV revenue if they didn’t come to an agreement. The players make their money in the 162, the owners make the biggest chunk of their money in October. The owners did the lockout starting in December to deny the players that potential leverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 The players want to start getting paid of course. The owners are stringing us all along for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, bmags said: I mean April baseball definitely sucks. Every year I try to hold off until May, every year I can’t do it, go to a game in soaking wet weather while I wait 4 innings for a hot dog because the vendor staff isn’t up to speed yet. but most of that would just become May baseball I am done with going to April games. I have gone to many April games during the years, and I am just not doing it anymore. The 1999 home opener was played under totally miserable conditions. Felt more like early January than early April. To top it off, the Sox committed five errors and lost a miserable game. Of course, this season it is very possible there will be no April games. Perhaps no May games either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 8:07 AM, Kyyle23 said: Who is "baseball" in your scenario here The people that run it: owners and commish. Owners for thinking the commish's ideas are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, greg775 said: The people that run it: owners and commish. Owners for thinking the commish's ideas are good. The commish works for the owners. His ideas are theirs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 5:10 PM, Marqhead said: If they ended the lockout (or didn't lock the players out in the first place) would the season be played under the current collective bargaining agreement? Is that something the players are ok with? Of course, the players would be OK with it. Remember when in 1994 a strike was called by the players on August 12 that flushed the playoffs and WS down the drain. You can bet the owners will never again be caught in that type of weakened bargaining position again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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