Kyyle23 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Let's try something a little different here just to break up the monotony of this crappy time period from when the Sox lost to when free agency begins. all I want you to do is simply state something (try to be specific) like below *example* What I want the White Sox to do: RF- trade Vaughn Sheets lambert for Harper 2B- re-sign Cesar What I think the White Sox will do: Rf - Sheets 2b - Leury *example* do not quote/respond/refute/argue with anyone else suggestions, but if you agree or prefer it, give it a like. When the off-season begins in earnest (HOPEFULLY the CBA doesn't kill All hope) I will tally the most liked, and we will see how close or far all of us are from reality(I'm guessing the most liked will be crazy and unrealistic but who cares lol) Looking forward to watching this sink off the front page to be forever ignored 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrittBurnsFan Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) What I want: - spend money on a legit RF ( Castellanos??) - focus on 2B that plays outstanding defense What they will do: - fill RF with an aging veteran and hope he has a good year (Avi Garcia...ugh) - bring in an average defensive 2B that can hit a little but not a lot (Cesar Hernandez) - and they will sell us on high hopes of being healthy, rebound year for Kuechel and moving Kopech to rotation Re-reading the instructions...maybe my descriptions are too generic and should have included some names? If so...my bad! Edited October 28, 2021 by BrittBurnsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 What I want: -decline Kimbrel option and move on -decline Hernandez option and sign Semien What they will do: -pick up Kimbrel option and trade him for someone else's bad contract to play RF in hopes of catching lightning in a bottle for a run next year -decline Hernandez option and bring back Yolmer...GG defender and damnit people just like him (well outside of Soxtalk that is) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, BrittBurnsFan said: What I want: - spend money on a legit RF! - focus on 2B that plays outstanding defense What they will do: - fill RF with an aging veteran and hope he has a good year - bring in an average defensive 2B that can hit a little but not a lot - and they will sell us on high hopes of being healthy, rebound year for Kuechel and moving Kopech to rotation Re-reading the instructions...maybe my descriptions are too generic and should have included some names? If so...my bad! The edit button is right there for you ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 What I want: -Sign Bryant to play RF -Sign Semien to play 2b -Sign Scherzer to a 1 or 2-year deal and let Rodon walk -Stop trading assets, including Kimbrel, who will figure it out and be a valuable reliever next season (with us or someone else) What they'll do: -Sign Semien -Stick with in-house options in RF (which I'd be OK with with Semien in the fold) -Hang on to Rodon -Trade some combination of Kimbrel, Crochet, Sheets, Vaughn, and/or Keuchel (plus prospects) for unexpected pitching names, a backup catcher and depth pieces 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) What I want them to do: Sign Scherzer for $2/80 (I don't care what it costs, including dumping Keuchel for peanuts) Put Kopech on a throwing program right now and ramp up for the #5 spot (Scherzer/Lynn/Gio/Cease/Kopech) Trade Crochet/Vaughn for Bryan Reynolds. / or sign Starling Marte La Stella trade for 2B Sign best Defensive Catcher available What they will do: Quintana for SP depth until Crochet starts second half (They HAVE to limit Dallas to under 160 innings) Miss out Starling Marte and settle for a mediocre RF Sign Escobar (2B) for too much money Trade Kimbrel for another bad SD contract coming back (potentially an OF) Give Collins one more year before they have to cut bait completely Edited October 28, 2021 by EloyJenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 What I want the Sox to do: See what Harper will cost for RF. Pipe dream is Kimbrel and not Vaughn can be part of the package. Sign Conforto if Harper doesn't work out, and Kimbrel can't be included in a package for another impact RF Sign Semien Resign Tepera Sign Robbie Ray Stretch out Kopech and Crochet for long relief/spot starts Sign someone like Archie Bradley or Colome for additional bullpen help Sign a backup catcher - Yan Gomes? Roberto Perez? What I think they'll do: Platoon Sheets and Engel in RF until they think Cespedes is ready Leury/Romy at 2B, maybe a Cesar Hernandez tier signing Kopech to SP with ReyLo to back him up Qualifying offer to Rodon Resign Tepera Trade Kimbrel for some bullpen flyers Collins is backup C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) Want: Sign Conforto (4 years; $70M), trade Keuchel + Burger for Tommy La Stella (stealing this one from @Chicago White Sox), re-sign Leury (2 years; $8M), trade Kade McClure, Micker Adolfo and Blake Rutherford (perhaps Collins could factor into this deal as well instead of McClure) to PIT for Jacob Stallings, trade Kimbrel to Phillies for Seranthony Dominguez and Mickey Moniak (Phils take whole bill), sign Chris Archer (1 year; $7.5M full of incentives), sign Jose Quintana to minor league deal. Re-sign Tepera (2 years: $15M). QO to Rodon; he rejects. Payroll in this scenario is in the low-$180M, which frankly is about as low as it can realistically be if Sox are serious. What they'll do: I am too scared to guess. Hopefully nothing too shortsighted. Edited October 28, 2021 by ChiSox59 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Conforto for RF Scherzer for SP 2B can be managed through Leury + internal options until the deadline. If they don't trust that go for EE Sox need to be better at the small things. TLR specifically needs to be forced to use the data at hand. The defensive positioning and shifting has to be much better along with the bullpen usage. It's probably not going to change though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) Given the fact that the team payroll is going up by ~28.5m before the FO can blink means they're probably not going to do much. And that's before Giolito's arb raise and doesn't include any team option pick ups. Add to that, the prep for the upcoming Arb1's for Cease and Kopech after next year. There's also a few other important arb reviews/decisions such as Engel and Lopez. With my expectations being low, I realistically hope they can resign Leury, Hamilton, and Tepera (& ofc Giolito). And I hope they can option/trade Garcia and Kimbrel (deserves to be closer anyway) for decent prospects. Leury can be our every 2B with Romy as the super sub (or visa versa). What they actually do might be quite depressing given the financials. Edited October 28, 2021 by Rounding_Third 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said: Given the fact that the team payroll is going up by ~28.5m before the FO can blink means they're probably not going to do much. And that's before Giolito's arb raise and doesn't include any team option pick ups. Add to that, the prep for the upcoming Arb1's for Cease and Kopech after next year. There's also a few other important arb reviews/decisions such as Engel and Lopez. With my expectations being low, I realistically hope they can resign Leury, Hamilton, and Tepera (& ofc Giolito). And I hope they can option/trade Garcia and Kimbrel (deserves to be closer anyway) for decent prospects. Leury can be our every 2B with Romy as the super sub (or visa versa). What they actually do might be quite depressing given the financials. ????? Edited October 28, 2021 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Want them to do: RF - Sign Startling Marte (with Conforto as a fallback option) 2B - Sign Chris Taylor C - Sign Yan Gomes SP - Sign Robbie Ray, sign Alex Wood (injury risk, so include incentives for IP) RP - Resign Tepera, sign Kendall Graveman Utility - Resign Leury Trades: Figure out how to offload Kimbrel and Keuchel, even just for depth pieces Stop hitting groundballs Think they'll do: RF - Sign Conforto 2B - Sign Jose Iglesias C - See trades SP - Resign Rodon, talk up Keuchel, Stiever and Lambert as capable arms, hope as hard as they can for good health in the rotation RP - Resign Tepera, see trades Utility - Resign Leury Trades: Offload Kimbrel, Sheets and Burger for a quality backup catcher and bullpen arms (not necessarily in the same deal) Continue hitting groundballs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: ????? Adam please reread the first post Lmao you too @ChiSox59 damnit I was hoping we would get to second page before a reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said: Given the fact that the team payroll is going up by ~28.5m before the FO can blink means they're probably not going to do much. And that's before Giolito's arb raise and doesn't include any team option pick ups. Add to that, the prep for the upcoming Arb1's for Cease and Kopech after next year. There's also a few other important arb reviews/decisions such as Engel and Lopez. With my expectations being low, I realistically hope they can resign Leury, Hamilton, and Tepera (& ofc Giolito). And I hope they can option/trade Garcia and Kimbrel (deserves to be closer anyway) for decent prospects. Leury can be our every 2B with Romy as the super sub (or visa versa). What they actually do might be quite depressing given the financials. Payroll is at $165M including Kimbrel and assuming Cesar's option is declined. If they can move Kimbrel, they should have around $30-35M to spend. If they can move Keuchel, add another $15M. Leury, Hamilton and Tepera will cost around $12M combined. So in a scenario where they don't trade off Kimbrel and/or Keuchel, the latter of which seems much more likely to a White Sox than the former, I could actually see the Sox only having around $20M to spend. So this isn't that crazy of a scenerio if that were to play out. But woof - I don't see the Sox literally just running back the 2021 roster and seeing if it shakes out differently. edit: sorry @Kyyle23, I have failed you. I took the bait. Never again. Edited October 28, 2021 by ChiSox59 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Payroll is at $165M including Kimbrel and assuming Cesar's option is declined. If they can move Kimbrel, they should have around $30-35M to spend. If they can move Keuchel, add another $15M. Leury, Hamilton and Tepera will cost around $12M combined. So in a scenario where they don't trade off Kimbrel and/or Keuchel, the latter of which seems much more likely to a White Sox than the former, I could actually see the Sox only having around $20M to spend. So this isn't that crazy of a scenerio if that were to play out. But woof - I don't see the Sox literally just running back the 2021 roster and seeing if it shakes out differently. edit: sorry @Kyyle23, I have failed you. I took the bait. Never again. ? it was gonna happen eventually and none of us can display any sort of restraint anyways 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 - 3-way deal that doesn't happen unless Cashman gets into Preller's coke stash. Kimbrel, Yermin to Padres Gallo, Abrams to White Sox Keuchel, Hosmer, Adolfo, and fat stacks of cash to the Yankees. - Sign Semien. - Sign Quintana as a swingman to cover Kopech's transition to the rotation. - Re-sign Tepera. - Re-sign Rodon. - Re-sign Leury, properly use him. What they will do: - Sign Escobar - Offer Rodon QO, let him walk. - Re-sign Tepera - Trade Jake Burger in a move that infuriates half the board, makes half the board happy a la Dunning-for-Lynn (but not that caliber). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) What I want them to do: RF - Sign Castellanos or Marte 2B - Sign Semien SP - Sign Scherzer C - Sign Perez or Gomez RP - Resign Tepera Utility - Resign Garcia Trades - Trade Kimbrel and Kuechel for some bullpen arms What they’ll do: RF - Sign Marte or Conforto 2B - Sign Semien or Escobar SP - Re-sign Rodon and extend Gio C - Sign Barnhart RP - Resign Tepera Utility - Resign Garcia Trades - Trade Kimbrel, Keuchel and one of Burger or Sheets for some bullpen arms. Edited October 28, 2021 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) I want: New owner, FO, Manager and staff beyond Paddy, whoever Paddy wants to keep in scouting, and Katz. Eloy and Mercedes for Pablo Lopez. Lynn; Keuchel and Kimbrel for Lux and Gonsolin. Grandal for Gallo. Burger, Collins, prospects for Willson Contreras. FAs Robbie Ray, Yan Gomes, Leury Garcia, plus two $2M-$4M decent RPs. The White Sox to shift defensively like the other 20+ competent teams. SS TA 3B YM # 1B JA RF JG^ CF LR DH GS ^C WC LF AV 2B GL^ Bench: Gomes, Engel, Garcia, Gonzalez. SP: Giolito, Ray, Pablo Lopez, Kopech, Gonsolin, Cease. RP: KH, AB, GC, Rey L, JR, FA, FA I’ll get: “Nothing and like it.” Edited October 28, 2021 by South Side Hit Men Forgot to dump Keuchel in Purge of Hahn and La Russa’s $300M Beer and Pizza Moves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleedawg Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 What I want: -give Rodon a QO - Rodon accepts offer or sign one of Rodon, Scherzer, Ray - Trade Keuchel, Collins, & Burger to a rebuilding team - say Arizona for Carson Kelly & a Decent reliever. - Trade Kimbrel to the Rays for Glasnow if they still want to do that. If not somewhere else for prospects - sign Chris Taylor to play 2b this year as a placeholder for Jose Ramirez next year. (then Taylor plays everywhere almost everday rest players once a week or trade him for good prospects). - re-sign Tepera - sign 1 of graveman, hudson, Iglesias - re-sign Leury What The sox will do: - qo to Rodon Takes it or walks - Lopez replaces Rodon in rotation - Trade Keuchel with Burger & Kimbrel in 3 way deal that get us Gleyber Torres - sign 1 of Gausman, desclafini, stroman - sign escobar to 2b - re sign Tepera - Hire schildt to coaching staff if he doesn't take a manager's job elsewhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 4 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Want: Sign Conforto (4 years; $70M), trade Keuchel + Burger for Tommy La Stella (stealing this one from @Chicago White Sox), re-sign Leury (2 years; $8M), trade Kade McClure, Micker Adolfo and Blake Rutherford (perhaps Collins could factor into this deal as well instead of McClure) to PIT for Jacob Stallings, trade Kimbrel to Phillies for Seranthony Dominguez and Mickey Moniak (Phils take whole bill), sign Chris Archer (1 year; $7.5M full of incentives), sign Jose Quintana to minor league deal. Re-sign Tepera (2 years: $15M). QO to Rodon; he rejects. Payroll in this scenario is in the low-$180M, which frankly is about as low as it can realistically be if Sox are serious. What they'll do: I am too scared to guess. Hopefully nothing too shortsighted. Lol yeaaaaah I started typing what I WANT them to do but then realized none of it will likely happen and then didn’t want to waste my time even finishing the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I think this off season will really answer the question of who is in charge of personell right now. I think it might be an interesting exercise to focus on people that Tony has run across in his various baseball stops in recent years. We know his time in Saint Louis, but don't forget about his stops in Arizona and Anaheim's front offices in recent years. With that in mind, I think a name like Ketel Marte might take on extra meaning. Maybe we see Eduardo Escobar. Then again on the other side of the coin, maybe Tony is the reason we DIDN'T see Escobar. Another name is David Perralta. It is a bit tougher to see matches with Anaheim right now, but they need pitching badly, and I have to imagine we are going to look to deal Dallas after the way his season ended. Is there a money for money trade to be made for an OF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 3 hours ago, maloney.adam said: What I want them to do: RF - Sign Castellanos or Marte 2B - Sign Semien SP - Sign Scherzer C - Sign Perez or Gomez RP - Resign Tepera Utility - Resign Garcia Trades - Trade Kimbrel and Kuechel for some bullpen arms What they’ll do: RF - Sign Marte or Conforto 2B - Sign Semien or Escobar SP - Re-sign Rodon and extend Gio C - Sign Barnhart RP - Resign Tepera Utility - Resign Garcia Trades - Trade Kimbrel, Keuchel and one of Burger or Sheets for some bullpen arms. The "What they will do" would be unbelievably great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, maloney.adam said: What I want them to do: RF - Sign Castellanos or Marte 2B - Sign Semien SP - Sign Scherzer C - Sign Perez or Gomez RP - Resign Tepera Utility - Resign Garcia Trades - Trade Kimbrel and Kuechel for some bullpen arms What they’ll do: RF - Sign Marte or Conforto 2B - Sign Semien or Escobar SP - Re-sign Rodon and extend Gio C - Sign Barnhart RP - Resign Tepera Utility - Resign Garcia Trades - Trade Kimbrel, Keuchel and one of Burger or Sheets for some bullpen arms. Barnhart has an option that should get picked up (only $7.5 mill). They should be able to deal him if they want to hand the job to Stephenson. Edited October 28, 2021 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Barnhart has an option that should get picked up (only $7.5 mill). They should be able to deal him if they want to hand the job to Stephenson. Oh thank you for catching that. I didn’t notice it. Maybe sign Perez or Gomes instead? Perez has a club option for 2022 but I think they will decline that. Edited October 28, 2021 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Get more NL talent that fails once they put on that Sox uniform. Letting Kimbrel walk is not a good idea. Basically you traded 2 young players for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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