Chicago White Sox Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Well first of all, they didn’t actually deal for him. Our team did. You complimented our pro scouts for it and then seem pretty down on the teams that didn’t. But even with that - how are the Dodgers and Rays catchers behind the plate? The White Sox were near the top of the league in wild pitches, the Dodgers were near the bottom. Rays were 11th, Cubs were 15th, with about 30% fewer WP. So for that scouting detail, blocking his breaking ball, it was far less of a concern for the Dodgers, but was a major one for the White Sox. That is a specific detail that our pro scouts could have identified and did not. Why not? I have no idea what your first paragraph is getting at. Also, why are you blaming all our wild pitches on our catchers and not the pitchers? We literally had six and four additional passed balls vs. the Dodgers & Rays. And regardless, Zack Collins greatly skews our wild pitch totals vs. the guy who was expected to be our playoff catcher. And I’m not sure why any of this matters, unless you’re suggesting a few extra passed balls is why his velocity dropped and his HR rate spiked with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I have no idea what your first paragraph is getting at. Also, why are you blaming all our wild pitches on our catchers and not the pitchers? We literally had six and four additional passed balls vs. the Dodgers & Rays. And regardless, Zack Collins greatly skews our wild pitch totals vs. the guy who was expected to be our playoff catcher. And I’m not sure why any of this matters, unless you’re suggesting a few extra passed balls is why his velocity dropped and his HR rate spiked with us. Zavala is the biggest outlier. The other guys weren't great, but he was Carlton Fisk in LF bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Funny I don’t bring up the Tepera deal when your literal excuse is “oh I was only referring to certain deals”? Come on man. And seriously, why am I called out for not seeing that Kimbrel will collapse while the pro scouts are deserving of compliments? If someone wants to pay me to do that for a living, then you could blame me, but you won’t do that with the people who are paid to evaluate that stuff. They knew that Lynn and Rodon would both be leading the AL Cy Young race at the end of July...? Then we have no worries, we are basically the Giants going forward. Everything is currently pinned on Cease and Kopech being TOR starters, a Keuchel rebound and/or perfect health and continuing miracles from Lopez. The Braves lost two members of their rotation and pitched over it, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) Would you guys rather the Sox trade Kimbrel for prospects who can help the team down the line or major league piece(s) that can help the team now? Edited November 8, 2021 by Joshua Strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: Would you guys rather the Sox trade Kimbrel for prospects who can help the team down the line or major league piece(s) that can help the team now? I want to get the most value, whatever that is. If good major league pieces aren't an option, take prospects and maybe they can be flipped to fill needs. Edited November 9, 2021 by CentralChamps21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 FYI but Rosenthal also mentioned today the Sox are looking to trade Kimbrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 11/6/2021 at 12:10 PM, Jack Parkman said: This is the very definition of the sunk cost fallacy. AJ Pollock is a sunk cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 11/6/2021 at 2:55 PM, Jack Parkman said: That's the only excuse for picking up the option. Everyone watched Kimbrel in August and September. He sucks. Nobody wants a shitty reliever for $16M. I think that if they think they're going to extract some value back they're sorely mistaken. Kimbrel at $16M has negative value. Apparently the Dodgers wanted a shitty reliever for $16M. What do they know though? How often do they ever win playoff series? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 11/6/2021 at 3:58 PM, Balta1701 said: Dude you have to read that rant before this. Keith Law is not a smart baseball person, only Williams and Hahn’s people are. You aren’t allowed to use the opinion of anyone else. Rick Hahn 1, Keith Law 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 11/6/2021 at 7:35 PM, Jack Parkman said: I don't think he'd get much more than 8M on a one year deal. So yes, that's what I believe. I think there's been too much terrible over the last 3 years from Kimbrel to think he's worth anything close to 16M He's had stretches of greatness, but more stretches of terribad. Wait until the fact that the contract is immovable keeps the Sox from doing anything once the CBA is finalized. Morgan Freeman voice: That contract was, in fact, movable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 11/7/2021 at 8:21 AM, bmags said: The nice thing is this will have a nice ability to track how well people are predicting this scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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