fathom Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I don’t even know what a realistic “nuts” trade by the Phillies could be. Taking on Keuchel would be it or including Abel and Stott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Why are we taking some random Padres accounts words as gospel? Have they gotten stuff right before? Or is this just to start a hypothetical conversation? I literally said take with a major grain of salt. Just figured it’s worth sharing to drive some conservation since we don’t know if this dude is a total fraud or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Segura and Marchan don't seem like "nuts" to me. Two undesireable pieces with onerous salaries being exchanged and they're throwing in a little something else....big deal. Marchan is an undesirable piece? Dude is a current top 10 prospect who makes the league minimum. He should have some real value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, fathom said: I don’t even know what a realistic “nuts” trade by the Phillies could be. Taking on Keuchel would be it or including Abel and Stott. My thought as well. They are a major stars and scrubs team. The bummer to me continues to be howard already gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Marchan is an undesirable piece? Dude is a current top 10 prospect who makes the league minimum. He should have some real value. I was referring to Segura as the undesireable piece considering his handedness/results vs RHP and salary obligation. Kimbrel is the other undesireable piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I could see Dombrowski valuing Kimbrel more than others because he knows how routine centered he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, fathom said: I don’t even know what a realistic “nuts” trade by the Phillies could be. Taking on Keuchel would be it or including Abel and Stott. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, hi8is said: I could see Dombrowski valuing Kimbrel more than others because he knows how routine centered he is. The Phillies have always made the most sense, but I’m still skeptical they’d give up a crazy package for one year of Kimbrel. But “crazy” could be relative and perhaps this dude (if legit) thinks Segura is a big-time piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The Phillies have always made the most sense, but I’m still skeptical they’d give up a crazy package for one year of Kimbrel. But “crazy” could be relative and perhaps this dude (if legit) thinks Segura is a big-time piece. I get a feeling I’ll be eating some crow on the return… being so upset at the end of our season, I figured he could be had for three cents… But I also wanted us to flat out not pick up his option and use our coin elsewhere. Urg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The Phillies have always made the most sense, but I’m still skeptical they’d give up a crazy package for one year of Kimbrel. But “crazy” could be relative and perhaps this dude (if legit) thinks Segura is a big-time piece. Well if that guy is right, then 3 major league names involved. That leaves room for some like, say, Keuchel to be included in the deal. And I could see Dombrowski wanting a starter and closer with playoff experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Not that it applies to anyone on the Sox-Are 10-5 rights still a thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The Phillies have always made the most sense, but I’m still skeptical they’d give up a crazy package for one year of Kimbrel. But “crazy” could be relative and perhaps this dude (if legit) thinks Segura is a big-time piece. Fegan mentioned today that the price for relievers is bonkers, and that’s for set-up those guys. I actually think Kimbrel could get more than 16 as a FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Well if that guy is right, then 3 major league names involved. That leaves room for some like, say, Keuchel to be included in the deal. And I could see Dombrowski wanting a starter and closer with playoff experience Marchan and Moniak could easily be considered major leaguers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, fathom said: Marchan and Moniak could easily be considered major leaguers Moniak is basically a non prospect at this point. A Segura/Marchan/Moniak package wouldn’t be all that exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, fathom said: Fegan mentioned today that the price for relievers is bonkers, and that’s for set-up those guys. I actually think Kimbrel could get more than 16 as a FA. Yeah, I could seeing Iglesias get a massive contract, which makes Kimbrel a pretty nice alternative on a one year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Moniak is basically a non prospect at this point. A Segura/Marchan/Moniak package wouldn’t be all that exciting. Agreed but he did play in the majors this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 50 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Marchan is an undesirable piece? Dude is a current top 10 prospect who makes the league minimum. He should have some real value. MLB top 10 or Phillies top 10? This guy kind of looks appropriate for a Kimbrel trade, either solo or perhaps the Sox would have to take Segura (not ideal). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAH Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 It’s hilarious reading both Sox and Phillies boards and fans overrated their own players. Phillies fan think segura for kimbrel is a terrible deal for them. Most here think it’s a terrible deal for us… ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, SHAH said: It’s hilarious reading both Sox and Phillies boards and fans overrated their own players. Phillies fan think segura for kimbrel is a terrible deal for them. Most here think it’s a terrible deal for us… ? Link to their forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Have you guys seen his stats since 2019? If we can get a package with Segura and two “prospects” of any level id be excited to wash this taste from my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Names I’ve heard mentioned in regards to Phillies talks with White Sox: Jean Segura obviously. Rafael Marchan, Moniak, Kingery and Jose Alverado. I’d be good with Segura, Alverado and Marchan. Moniak is pointless 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 47 minutes ago, GreenSox said: MLB top 10 or Phillies top 10? This guy kind of looks appropriate for a Kimbrel trade, either solo or perhaps the Sox would have to take Segura (not ideal). Phillies top 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Names I’ve heard mentioned in regards to Phillies talks with White Sox: Jean Segura obviously. Rafael Marchan, Moniak, Kingery and Jose Alverado. I’d be good with Segura, Alverado and Marchan. Moniak is pointless Alvarado has great stuff but can’t throw strikes consistently to save his life. Maybe they view him as a guy who would benefit by working with Katz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Names I’ve heard mentioned in regards to Phillies talks with White Sox: Jean Segura obviously. Rafael Marchan, Moniak, Kingery and Jose Alverado. I’d be good with Segura, Alverado and Marchan. Moniak is pointless Thanks James! You think there might be some real momentum for a Phillies trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, hi8is said: I get a feeling I’ll be eating some crow on the return… being so upset at the end of our season, I figured he could be had for three cents… But I also wanted us to flat out not pick up his option and use our coin elsewhere. Urg. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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