striker Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: While I am good with Segura at this point, I'm just not sure why the Phillies have to send more back for Kimbrel unless it is a bigger deal or we are sending cash. Just my 2 cents. It's about actual cost versus market cost. So Kimbrel costs $16m and is worth $16m in the market (based on what Inglesias signed for), so he's break even. Segura costs $12m but is worth say $8m in the market based on what Hernandez signed for, so there is a $4m deficit that the Phillies have to make up in the form of cash and or prospects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 #dumbesttradeever #dumbestsigningever No one wants that piece of garbage, we are stuck with him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 37 minutes ago, striker said: It's about actual cost versus market cost. So Kimbrel costs $16m and is worth $16m in the market (based on what Inglesias signed for), so he's break even. Segura costs $12m but is worth say $8m in the market based on what Hernandez signed for, so there is a $4m deficit that the Phillies have to make up in the form of cash and or prospects. Craig Kimbrel is just not worth $16 million in this market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Craig Kimbrel is just not worth $16 million in this market. Couldn’t disagree more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Craig Kimbrel is just not worth $16 million in this market. He might be in a market where Avi Garica is getting 4 years, and Leury is getting 3 years. I really believe there is value in his contract only being one year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleedawg Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Craig Kimbrel is just not worth $16 million in this market. he is worth whatever someone who wants he thinks he is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, fathom said: Couldn’t disagree more Yeah, if he were a free agent, and you were trying to sign him for 1 year, the number would be more than 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Craig Kimbrel is just not worth $16 million in this market. I don't know if it will survive the lockout, but the run up in player prices made me feel a whole lot better about getting return for Kimbrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, kleedawg said: he is worth whatever someone who wants he thinks he is worth. And IMO - he’s worth $16 million to Rick Hahn, but to no one else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, fathom said: Couldn’t disagree more Hey, at least he's consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: And IMO - he’s worth $16 million to Rick Hahn, but to no one else. 1/16 has a lot less risk to compared to something like 3/40, which is probably on the lower end. Above average closers are looking for multi year deals with fairly high AAVs. Teams might not want to deal with that on the open market to acquire one for next season. Not even sure what closers are still available as FA, but I don’t believe there’s many which means teams will probably have to overspend in a bidding war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whitesoxwinner Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: he was pretty good last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 51 minutes ago, kleedawg said: he is worth whatever someone who wants he thinks he is worth. Cub fans love him. Please work up a trade of Kimbrel for Madrigal. The Cubs don't even need to add a deal sweetener. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wegner Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Whisox05 said: In what line of business do you go to the guy who is doing a great job (Hendriks) and tell him that this other guy (KImbrel) can't do his job so we are giving him your job? I for one do not want Kimbrel as the White Sox closer....I want to see his ass traded. That is Rich Hahn's job. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, wegner said: In what line of business do you go to the guy who is doing a great job (Hendriks) and tell him that this other guy (KImbrel) can't do his job so we are giving him your job? I for one do not want Kimbrel as the White Sox closer....I want to see his ass traded. That is Rich Hahn's job. Hypothetical: they cant find a taker...do you: A. Keep hendricks as a great closer and have a horrible set up man in Kimbrel which destroys any tradability come July Or B. Make Kimbrel the closer and if successful have the best setup / jam man in baseball (hendricks can work in any spot imo) and use Kimbrel as a great trade piece come July to use for whatever need the sox have. I know it sucks to do that to Hendricks...but I cant see A benefitting the team in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 minute ago, EloyJenkins said: Hypothetical: they cant find a taker...do you: A. Keep hendricks as a great closer and have a horrible set up man in Kimbrel which destroys any tradability come July Or B. Make Kimbrel the closer and if successful have the best setup / jam man in baseball (hendricks can work in any spot imo) and use Kimbrel as a great trade piece come July to use for whatever need the sox have. I know it sucks to do that to Hendricks...but I cant see A benefitting the team in any way. If they can't find taker, that sucks. But if they can't, I truly do see your point that they have backed themselves into the corner of needing to do option B. However, I do not think the White Sox had any intention of keeping Kimbrel when they accepted that $16 million option, so it will be a monumental failure by the front office if they cannot trade him. The statement from Hahn is probably just more unnecessary posturing by Hahn. If the Phillies, etc want him, they will make an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, wegner said: In what line of business do you go to the guy who is doing a great job (Hendriks) and tell him that this other guy (KImbrel) can't do his job so we are giving him your job? I for one do not want Kimbrel as the White Sox closer....I want to see his ass traded. That is Rich Hahn's job. It happens a lot more than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, wegner said: If they can't find taker, that sucks. But if they can't, I truly do see your point that they have backed themselves into the corner of needing to do option B. However, I do not think the White Sox had any intention of keeping Kimbrel when they accepted that $16 million option, so it will be a monumental failure by the front office if they cannot trade him. The statement from Hahn is probably just more unnecessary posturing by Hahn. If the Phillies, etc want him, they will make an offer. Agreed completely. What a horrible trade that came out to be...and I was a supporter of it big time. Really hope the CBA creates some favorable contract increases so that 16 mil number seems reasonable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Craig Kimbrel is just not worth $16 million in this market. He could be worth whatever’s left on his contract around the trade deadline anyway. But the Sox aren’t going to maximize him in a role in order to do that. Quite frankly all they can do is kill whatever remaining value he has by keeping him around, and I think they know that, which is why he is on the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 How can anyone see what Hahn said today and not think he’s being traded after the lockout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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