Dick Allen Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Can you enlighten us to which defensive metric you used to determine this ? Defensive stats are a mishmash where one can draw multiple conclusions from UZR,DRS and OAA. Schwarber threw out a lot of base runners and looks OK on paper because of that, the same way Adam Eaton once did. Also kicking around a few hits will hurt bad in a SSS, while if you don't kick them and catch all the fly balls you get near can hide the fact you get poor reads and jumps and have no range. Someone with good speed and a good jump may not take the best routes because he's off with the crack of the bat and may have to adjust his route on the way. Grading OF defense is difficult. I prefer a good range factor and OAA when it comes to defense. One thing Schwarber does well defensively is throw, but the rest is pretty bad. The thing is, with Robert in CF fully healthy, I wouldn't be too worried about the range in the corners. They can cheat towards the lines and the Sox would be fine. What they need is someone who will make the plays when the ball is hit their way, and being able to throw would be a big plus. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whitesoxwinner Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: lol…this isn’t remotely true. baseball reference and baseball info solutions has conforto graded way worse than schwarber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Can you enlighten us to which defensive metric you used to determine this ? Defensive stats are a mishmash where one can draw multiple conclusions from UZR,DRS and OAA. Schwarber threw out a lot of base runners and looks OK on paper because of that, the same way Adam Eaton once did. Also kicking around a few hits will hurt bad in a SSS, while if you don't kick them and catch all the fly balls you get near can hide the fact you get poor reads and jumps and have no range. Someone with good speed and a good jump may not take the best routes because he's off with the crack of the bat and may have to adjust his route on the way. Grading OF defense is difficult. I prefer a good range factor and OAA when it comes to defense. bref and baseball info. That's understandable, conforto has much more range than schwarber, but we have the best defensive center fielder in the league. Conforto has a complete noodle for an arm. Schwarber can throw guys out. Usually I'm on the side of range, but in the context of our team I think we could live with a guy with limited range. And the defense isn't a good enough reason to argue for conforto over schwarber's hitting ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, fathom said: Schwarber can’t play RF, end of story I just want to be clear my thing was Schwarber at DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 We can afford both guys...they just need to unload Kimbrel and Keuchel without taking a ton of salary in return. I wouldn't mind giving Kimbrel to PHI for free so long as they took Keuchel too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Yup Hopefully they spend soon. Going to suck to have a long lockout. Will already suck not having a Winter Meetings to follow due to no CBA. At least give us a more complete roster to drool over. Edited November 24, 2021 by Bob Sacamano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: He doesn't fit on this team beacuse he doesn't have a position. This year’s team, sure. He should be their 1B for the next decade though. Trading him would be very short-sighted 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: One thing Schwarber does well defensively is throw, but the rest is pretty bad. The thing is, with Robert in CF fully healthy, I wouldn't be too worried about the range in the corners. They can cheat towards the lines and the Sox would be fine. What they need is someone who will make the plays when the ball is hit their way, and being able to throw would be a big plus. What are you basing his ability to throw on? Just curious, because i know the first couple years he “played outfield” full time, especially the first one, teams were trying to take extra bases on him like crazy because they looked at him playing outfield as an insult to outfielders everywhere. So he had a bunch of assists and whatnot because teams were trying to take bases they normally wouldn’t. It was pure disrespect across the board, so yea, he had inflated assist numbers. credit to him for working hard and not being the worst defensive player in the history of the game, but I’m pretty sure he’s just about as bad as it can get out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Jerksticks said: What are you basing his ability to throw on? Just curious, because i know the first couple years he “played outfield” full time, especially the first one, teams were trying to take extra bases on him like crazy because they looked at him playing outfield as an insult to outfielders everywhere. So he had a bunch of assists and whatnot because teams were trying to take bases they normally wouldn’t. It was pure disrespect across the board, so yea, he had inflated assist numbers. credit to him for working hard and not being the worst defensive player in the history of the game, but I’m pretty sure he’s just about as bad as it can get out there. He definitely has a strong arm and improved from his disaster 2015 postseason defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: At least give us a more complete roster to drool over. Don’t hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This year’s team, sure. He should be their 1B for the next decade though. Trading him would be very short-sighted You and I both know Abreu's not going anywhere anytime soon. Trading Vaughn for someone who can help them win now makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) Edited November 24, 2021 by maloney.adam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This year’s team, sure. He should be their 1B for the next decade though. Trading him would be very short-sighted And they simply can't have every player making 8 figures. As much as we want them to be, they simply aren't a Top 5 spending team and have a lot of money tied up in a lot of different places. They luckily don't hold a lot of "bad money" but Vaughn should provide them + production at a base level salary. That alone provides a decent amount of value. Trading Madrigal also impacted plans, as that's another position where money is now going to have to be spent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This year’s team, sure. He should be their 1B for the next decade though. Trading him would be very short-sighted If they even extend him that is. He will be down to 4 years of control going into the 23 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maloney.adam Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) Edited November 24, 2021 by maloney.adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 So it seems like Kimbrel for Segura will happen in some form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: So it seems like Kimbrel for Segura will happen in some form Or for Bellinger...kidding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 no excuses for the front office anymore. I've been rough on them, but it's alleviating to finally see what they can do with a top payroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Every off-season we hear about how the narrative is changing, the Sox are coming... they're all-in ready to spend big. Fast-forward two months: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: So it seems like Kimbrel for Segura will happen in some form Yeah I'm bummed. I'd rather have two stud LHB than Segura at 2nd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I created a $185M roster payroll team this morning that had people jumping off buildings so just prepare yourself people, even a $200M payroll doesn't get you anywhere near a spending spree of scherzer, conforto, semien it just basically allows you to get a great guy and two good guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: One thing Schwarber does well defensively is throw, but the rest is pretty bad. The thing is, with Robert in CF fully healthy, I wouldn't be too worried about the range in the corners. They can cheat towards the lines and the Sox would be fine. What they need is someone who will make the plays when the ball is hit their way, and being able to throw would be a big plus. Sounds like Vaughn/Sheets/Engel will be adequate after all. Good...now save the money to use at our other areas of need. That top-tier 2 nd baseman and the quality starter won't come cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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