Chicago White Sox Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 @ChiliIrishHammock24 - Love the overall plan, but Quintana undermines it for me. For this framework to work, you need to bump up the budget to $185M and get a better starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 You could stay in a similar budget but go after Rich Hill. giolito/lynn/cease/kopech/hill/lopez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: @ChiliIrishHammock24 - Love the overall plan, but Quintana undermines it for me. For this framework to work, you need to bump up the budget to $185M and get a better starter. Yea, with $4M and one SP left to fill it was picking from scraps and I wanted a lefty. With even another $5M on the budget I could have gotten someone better but I didn't want to pull from that bullpen I built. But ultimately like I said in the write up, I don't think Quintana really matters in the end because the path to the playoffs should be pretty easy for that team and once the playoffs come around Quintana is a bullpen arm if he even makes the roster at all. He's pretty much the 26th man on this team so I'm not worried when you look at the rest of that team, especially the lineup. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, bmags said: You could stay in a similar budget but go after Rich Hill. giolito/lynn/cease/kopech/hill/lopez You think Hill only gets $4M? I was figuring based off of his last season he was probably more of a $8-10M arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: You think Hill only gets $4M? I was figuring based off of his last season he was probably more of a $8-10M arm. How much did he get last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, bmags said: How much did he get last year? 1 year, $2.5 million https://www.mlb.com/news/rich-hill-rays-deal His 2020 deal with the Twins was for $3 million, but there were up to $9.5 million in performance bonuses and he was coming off of surgery that guaranteed he'd miss part of the year. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/01/07/rich-hill-could-earn-125m-from-twins-homer-bailey-8m/40956961/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, bmags said: I am with Chili on McHugh, I think he is one of the best signings we can make this offseason. Perfect spot starter backup as well. McHugh trashed Reinsdorf publicly when the Sox didn't call up Eloy. Not sure the Sox would go after him or may he wouldn't be interested in the Sox. 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: @ChiliIrishHammock24 - Love the overall plan, but Quintana undermines it for me. For this framework to work, you need to bump up the budget to $185M and get a better starter. The Sox win all of those trades handedly and the other teams would not do them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) I listened to this and something came to mind by just looking at the teams that Lynn has played for. How about trading for Kyle Gibson as a possibility? Edited November 18, 2021 by maloney.adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Lamar Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 I don't see much discussion about going after Story and moving him to 2b. He will still be only 29 throughout '22 and before he bottomed out (hopefully) last year, he was consistently a borderline MVP candidate. I know it's been debated here and I have nothing knew to add to the discussion but I see 2b as the place to target money rather than RF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said: I don't see much discussion about going after Story and moving him to 2b. He will still be only 29 throughout '22 and before he bottomed out (hopefully) last year, he was consistently a borderline MVP candidate. I know it's been debated here and I have nothing knew to add to the discussion but I see 2b as the place to target money rather than RF. I think everyone here would be ecstatic with any of the top SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 59 minutes ago, raBBit said: McHugh trashed Reinsdorf publicly when the Sox didn't call up Eloy. Not sure the Sox would go after him or may he wouldn't be interested in the Sox. The Sox win all of those trades handedly and the other teams would not do them. I think that's fair that the sox would probably have closed the book on him, but, the guy has played for the Astros and Rays so I can't imagine he cares that much about service time manipulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, raBBit said: McHugh trashed Reinsdorf publicly when the Sox didn't call up Eloy. Not sure the Sox would go after him or may he wouldn't be interested in the Sox. The Sox win all of those trades handedly and the other teams would not do them. I agree the trades are definitely in the White Sox’s favor and unlikely at those prices, but I the overall plan could work if increase the cost for Marte, reduce the prospect return for Kimbrel, and kick in more money in the Keuchel deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Superstar Lamar said: I don't see much discussion about going after Story and moving him to 2b. He will still be only 29 throughout '22 and before he bottomed out (hopefully) last year, he was consistently a borderline MVP candidate. I know it's been debated here and I have nothing knew to add to the discussion but I see 2b as the place to target money rather than RF. Paying him SS money to play him at 2B the next 8 to 10 years seems like a poor allocation of resources. I also don’t love the fit given his splits against RHP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 Craig Kimbrel on the Phillies’ wishlist per Heyman. Definitely think it’s going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Craig Kimbrel on the Phillies’ wishlist per Heyman. Definitely think it’s going to happen. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Dombrowski tends to overpay for veterans, and not be as concerned about money, so that's a good sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: Dombrowski tends to overpay for veterans, and not be as concerned about money, so that's a good sign. That’s also how he ended up (eventually) getting run off everywhere he’s gone…he is unlikely to get another shot if he messes this one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: That’s also how he ended up (eventually) getting run off everywhere he’s gone…he is unlikely to get another shot if he messes this one up. That's certainly not our problem, so let's hope he does it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baron Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Well that's delusional. No way are they serious about this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Baron said: Well that's delusional. No way are they serious about this. Hopefully Semien or Conforto! Has to be right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Baron said: Well that's delusional. No way are they serious about this. One guy over there has Scherzer for 3/$100, Eddie Rosario for $10.5 million and Kimbrel for Kolten Wong’s brother Keon, which will only annoy Fathom even more since the White Sox will never properly address 2B to his liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 For the love of god please not another off-season of Quintana talk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Hopefully Semien or Conforto! Has to be right? I really think Conforto is our #1 target this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Rosario might prove useful. Sox are undefeated in the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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