Jack Parkman Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, southsideirish71 said: I still lament that we wasted a number 4 overall pick on a 5'7 ( with lifts ) second baseman who needs to hit well over 300 to make him passable. Same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: If Hernandez played with the Sox like he did in Cleveland that would have been an upgrade on Madrigal. Madrigal was not as advertised in the speed/baserunning/defense dept. He's a one tool player. Mmmmk. Herandez was a SIZABLE downgrade on Madrigal before he got hurt, so that fun little hypothetical of yours is completely worthless. Madrigal isn't a perfect player. But he was a solid team fit, he was cheap for years, and while his speed/baserunning/defense where not as advertised, he certainly had the ability to improve there and as playing solid defense before the injury. Water under the bridge. He's no longer a Sox cuz Hahn fucked up. Is what it is. But to say you're happy he's not around when we're in a significantly worse spot now than we would be with him is pretty funny. We could trade Madrigal and Heuer for FARRRR more than 1 year $16M of Craig Kimbrel right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Offseason plan....Keep Kimbrel but since he cannot setup and we already have the guy who has been the reliever of the year the last 2 seasons closing for us....Make Kimbrel an opener because..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Mmmmk. Herandez was a SIZABLE downgrade on Madrigal before he got hurt, so that fun little hypothetical of yours is completely worthless. Madrigal isn't a perfect player. But he was a solid team fit, he was cheap for years, and while his speed/baserunning/defense where not as advertised, he certainly had the ability to improve there and as playing solid defense before the injury. Water under the bridge. He's no longer a Sox cuz Hahn fucked up. Is what it is. But to say you're happy he's not around when we're in a significantly worse spot now than we would be with him is pretty funny. We could trade Madrigal and Heuer for FARRRR more than 1 year $16M of Craig Kimbrel right now. Disagree, like a lot. Madrigal sux. He belongs in the Clown Pajamas on the North Side. If he was never a Sox player and the Cubs drafted him we'd all be snickering at Cubs fans for thinking he's great. Nick Madrigal hits the emptiest .300 in the history of baseball. Edited November 29, 2021 by Jack Parkman 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, Flash said: Has there been a credible source who has linked us to Conforto? Bob Nightengale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 we've all seen this Jack act before, don't need to beat a dead horse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: Bob Nightengale When Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, bmags said: we've all seen this Jack act before, don't need to beat a dead horse. Hall of Fame List! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I don't think anyone has actually put conforto and sox together, except y2jimmy, and even then it seemed like an informed hunch. Bruce was the one that highlighted sox with Boras, but mentioned Semien and Bryant (how it wouldn't be bryant) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, fathom said: When Long ago. Like last week. ? Funny that “a long time ago” is a week in transaction land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, fathom said: When @Baron mentioned it yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Disagree, like a lot. Madrigal sux. He belongs in the Clown Pajamas on the North Side. If he was never a Sox player and the Cubs drafted him we'd all be snickering at Cubs fans for thinking he's great. Nick Madrigal hits the emptiest .300 in the history of baseball. Well, stats disagree - like a lot. Madrigal WAR in 2021 = 1.2 in 54 games Hernandez WAR in 2021 (on Sox) = -0.7 in 52 games. So just a 1.9 WAR swing in 1/3 of a season. No biggie. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Are you sleeping.... Are you sleeping.... Mr. Hahn. Mr Hahn is sleeping lalala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Well, stats disagree - like a lot. Madrigal WAR in 2021 = 1.2 in 54 games Hernandez WAR in 2021 (on Sox) = -0.7 in 52 games. So just a 1.9 WAR swing in 1/3 of a season. No biggie. Despite that Hernandez still had a 2.2 WAR on the season. I said if he just continued what he was doing in Cleveland, he would have been an upgrade. I'm not saying he was an upgrade. Edited November 29, 2021 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hi8is Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, Jack Parkman said: Despite that Hernandez still had a 2.2 WAR on the season. which means he was worth 2.9 WAR on Cleveland. If you look at that close enough, it will become a circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Despite that Hernandez still had a 2.2 WAR on the season. I said if he just continued what he was doing in Cleveland, he would have been an upgrade. I'm not saying he was an upgrade. But he didn't. He was fucking terrible. And Madrigal was on PACE for a 4 WAR season. If we're dismissing 4 WAR players in pre-arb, well then, I guess we just have differences of opinions. Well, I already knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Disagree, like a lot. Madrigal sux. He belongs in the Clown Pajamas on the North Side. If he was never a Sox player and the Cubs drafted him we'd all be snickering at Cubs fans for thinking he's great. Nick Madrigal hits the emptiest .300 in the history of baseball. Nick Madrigal had a higher ISO last year than: Adam Frazier Leury Garcia Jeff McNeil DJ Lamaheiu Whit Merrifield Just to name a few. This is why using phrases like "in the history of baseball" are hyperbolic nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: But he didn't. He was fucking terrible. And Madrigal was on PACE for a 4 WAR season. If we're dismissing 4 WAR players in pre-arb, well then, I guess we just have differences of opinions. Well, I already knew that. Steamer projects Madrigal for 2.1 WAR in 2022 and I think that's accurate and fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Nick Madrigal had a higher ISO last year than: Adam Frazier Leury Garcia Jeff McNeil DJ Lamaheiu Whit Merrifield Just to name a few. This is why using phrases like "in the history of baseball" are hyperbolic nonsense. It was intended to be hyperbole. I don't like Madrigal and I don't think he's a good baseball player. Don't wish to discuss further, and kwitcherbitchin Edited November 29, 2021 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Steamer projects Madrigal for 2.1 WAR in 2022 and I think that's accurate and fair. 2.1 WAR for close to minimum seems like a good deal especially for a team that is always concerned about budget. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Steamer projects Madrigal for 2.1 WAR in 2022 and I think that's accurate and fair. You say that like we couldn’t use that on this team at 2B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Threads are suddenly going to be a lot quieter now after a new Hall of Fame List addition has been made. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: You say that like we couldn’t use that on this team at 2B. Leury Garcia was worth 2.0 fWAR last year, so that's how easily it's found. Edited November 29, 2021 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 We are indeed working hard.... to get a seat at the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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