DirtySox Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, DirtySox said: I thought they were already talking… Bruuuuuuce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 If Semien is the Sox #1 free agent target, improving RF with another big addition [lefty bat] should be the next item of business via trade. The Sox should look at this offseason thinking they have a two year window to win a World Series. [While they have Grandal, Jose still playing well, Lynn and Hendriks]. The Sox would still have talent to be playoff competitive past the next two years. But some risky moves should be made that make some big improvements over the 2021 Sox. Right now, TA and Robert are the two most irreplaceable Sox-Grandal is a close 3rd. Semien for 2b would also provide insurance in case TA goes down. Adding a lefty bat who can also play CF to improve the OF defense. Going after Cedric Mullins or Bryan Reynolds would be the moves that may be risky. But they both have key upside and add to the existing team with their versatility and athleticism. Of course, trades like that would mean either Andrew Vaughn or Garrett Crochet headlining. I really like Vaughn esp. with what he did in LF. And Crochet has done everything the Sox have asked and needed from him. [I don't know if he has the 3rd pitch necessary to be a TOR starter]. But BALT or PITT may see him as a guy who is. But Vaughn's 2022 could be replaced by a full year of Eloy and Robert. And both Mullins and Reynolds would be around for 4 years. And a case could be made that with Vaughn's impressive 2021, he may be someone to stick with over Eloy for LF, and have Eloy be part of a win now trade. I know people want to add to the rotation. None of the current 1-5's are going anywhere. I see adding more depth in AAA as the key. Cease is likely to improve, enough to be the #1 or #2. Keuchel certainly has the talent to be a #4 or 5, with a likely bounce back year. Getting Kopech 150 innings is the biggest rotation question mark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 hours ago, beck72 said: If Semien is the Sox #1 free agent target, improving RF with another big addition [lefty bat] should be the next item of business via trade. The Sox should look at this offseason thinking they have a two year window to win a World Series. [While they have Grandal, Jose still playing well, Lynn and Hendriks]. The Sox would still have talent to be playoff competitive past the next two years. But some risky moves should be made that make some big improvements over the 2021 Sox. Right now, TA and Robert are the two most irreplaceable Sox-Grandal is a close 3rd. Semien for 2b would also provide insurance in case TA goes down. Adding a lefty bat who can also play CF to improve the OF defense. Going after Cedric Mullins or Bryan Reynolds would be the moves that may be risky. But they both have key upside and add to the existing team with their versatility and athleticism. Of course, trades like that would mean either Andrew Vaughn or Garrett Crochet headlining. I really like Vaughn esp. with what he did in LF. And Crochet has done everything the Sox have asked and needed from him. [I don't know if he has the 3rd pitch necessary to be a TOR starter]. But BALT or PITT may see him as a guy who is. But Vaughn's 2022 could be replaced by a full year of Eloy and Robert. And both Mullins and Reynolds would be around for 4 years. And a case could be made that with Vaughn's impressive 2021, he may be someone to stick with over Eloy for LF, and have Eloy be part of a win now trade. I know people want to add to the rotation. None of the current 1-5's are going anywhere. I see adding more depth in AAA as the key. Cease is likely to improve, enough to be the #1 or #2. Keuchel certainly has the talent to be a #4 or 5, with a likely bounce back year. Getting Kopech 150 innings is the biggest rotation question mark. If the Sox were to pony up to sign Semien they would have an ungodly lineup 1-8 and all-star talent at 7 out of 8 defensive positions (pitching aside). I think bolstering a pitching staff that fell flat on its face in the playoffs would be a much higher priority than making it 8 out of 8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Makes sense. Out of all the top middle infield talent out there, he’s one of the older ones at 31 so he won’t require a massive contract like Seager or Correa would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I just don't see him getting away from Toronto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, bmags said: I just don't see him getting away from Toronto. I think Toronto prioritizes Ray over Semien because of their need for pitching over bats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, bmags said: I just don't see him getting away from Toronto. Doesn’t it seem like every major name is trending towards an AL team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I think Toronto prioritizes Ray over Semien because of their need for pitching over bats. Sox should engage with Ray also just to make sure Toronto doesn't get either of them cheaply. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, fathom said: Doesn’t it seem like every major name is trending towards an AL team when the AL West starts reloading like this it makes a completely different market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 29 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said: If the Sox were to pony up to sign Semien they would have an ungodly lineup 1-8 and all-star talent at 7 out of 8 defensive positions (pitching aside). I think bolstering a pitching staff that fell flat on its face in the playoffs would be a much higher priority than making it 8 out of 8. Are we talking about the same offense that mustered 6 runs in 3 losses vs the Astros in the ALDS? Because that offense fell on its face pretty hard. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Semien is a top 5 free agent this year. When is the last time the White Sox landed a top 5 free agent? Probably Albert Belle. The White Sox don't operate like that anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrittBurnsFan Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 minute ago, chetkincaid said: Semien is a top 5 free agent this year. When is the last time the White Sox landed a top 5 free agent? Probably Albert Belle. The White Sox don't operate like that anymore. Age is the only reason I could see Semien ending up with the White Sox...if he were still in his 20s the White Sox wouldn't even bother to schedule the meeting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Sox like quick strikes. Almost all of their big free agents were signed early. Boras likes to drag things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Capn12 said: Are we talking about the same offense that mustered 6 runs in 3 losses vs the Astros in the ALDS? Because that offense fell on its face pretty hard. First, I'm not advocating doing nothing to help the offense at all. The question was whether, after adding an MVP candidate to our offense, the very next priority should be to add yet *more* offense/position players. I think not. Also, while the top of the order actually hit pretty well there's no doubt the Sox didn't perform well in any aspect of the game in the series. Of course, there's a small sample size issue with any examination of a single series, but I simply have more trust that the talent in our lineup will bounce back from that SSS than I do in our depleted rotation standing up to a playoff offense. Lynn's whole approach is a poor fit for the Astros, and I don't think we can count on him against a likely playoff opponent, especially a year older. Carlos is gone. There are noticeable gaps in our rotation that need to be addressed. Edited November 11, 2021 by 35thstreetswarm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said: First, I'm not advocating doing nothing to help the offense at all. The question was whether, after adding an MVP candidate to our offense, the very next priority should be to add yet *more* offense/position players. I think not. Also, while the top of the order actually hit pretty well there's no doubt the Sox didn't perform well in any aspect of the game in the series. Of course, there's a small sample size issue with any examination of a single series, but I simply have more trust that the talent in our lineup will bounce back from that SSS than I do in our depleted rotation standing up to a playoff offense. Lynn's whole approach is a poor fit for the Astros, and I don't think we can count on him against a likely playoff opponent, especially a year older. Carlos is gone. There are noticeable gaps in our rotation that need to be addressed. For sure, but just going on how the organization has operated overall, a few exceptions withstanding, I see us spending any "real" money on 2B/RF, and going bargain bin hunting for pitching. We're not paying any starting pitcher, the current TOR going rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 41 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: Sox should engage with Ray also just to make sure Toronto doesn't get either of them cheaply. Im pretty sure the Sox aren't the market setters you may think they are with this post. Actual teams that spend big money will be engaged with Ray and they will push the market up. The Sox are the team waiting in the weeds hoping someone falls through on the cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Sox: Hey Marcus, Hey Scott. Marcus: Hey Sox Scott: Hey Sox. Thanks for the Rodon solid. Sox: Nice talking to you fellas. Have a good one. This is about as far as those talks will probably go. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Im pretty sure the Sox aren't the market setters you may think they are with this post. Actual teams that spend big money will be engaged with Ray and they will push the market up. The Sox are the team waiting in the weeds hoping someone falls through on the cheap. As evidenced by the last couple of years, the Sox will set a market for people they view as "their guy". They did it with Hendriks and they did it with Grandal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: As evidenced by the last couple of years, the Sox will set a market for people they view as "their guy". They did it with Hendriks and they did it with Grandal. Yes, the Sox will set the market in markets that have caps that are well under the amount of money Robbie Ray and Marcus Semien are going to get. If you play a position that doesn't get 9 figure contracts the Sox are all-in on setting the market for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleedawg Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 hours ago, beck72 said: If Semien is the Sox #1 free agent target, improving RF with another big addition [lefty bat] should be the next item of business via trade. The Sox should look at this offseason thinking they have a two year window to win a World Series. [While they have Grandal, Jose still playing well, Lynn and Hendriks]. The Sox would still have talent to be playoff competitive past the next two years. But some risky moves should be made that make some big improvements over the 2021 Sox. Right now, TA and Robert are the two most irreplaceable Sox-Grandal is a close 3rd. Semien for 2b would also provide insurance in case TA goes down. Adding a lefty bat who can also play CF to improve the OF defense. Going after Cedric Mullins or Bryan Reynolds would be the moves that may be risky. But they both have key upside and add to the existing team with their versatility and athleticism. Of course, trades like that would mean either Andrew Vaughn or Garrett Crochet headlining. I really like Vaughn esp. with what he did in LF. And Crochet has done everything the Sox have asked and needed from him. [I don't know if he has the 3rd pitch necessary to be a TOR starter]. But BALT or PITT may see him as a guy who is. But Vaughn's 2022 could be replaced by a full year of Eloy and Robert. And both Mullins and Reynolds would be around for 4 years. And a case could be made that with Vaughn's impressive 2021, he may be someone to stick with over Eloy for LF, and have Eloy be part of a win now trade. I know people want to add to the rotation. None of the current 1-5's are going anywhere. I see adding more depth in AAA as the key. Cease is likely to improve, enough to be the #1 or #2. Keuchel certainly has the talent to be a #4 or 5, with a likely bounce back year. Getting Kopech 150 innings is the biggest rotation question mark. Cedric Mullens is not going to be available. As much as I like him, he can't throw in cf, he'd be a huge liability throwing from rf. He has a lf arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 43 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yes, the Sox will set the market in markets that have caps that are well under the amount of money Robbie Ray and Marcus Semien are going to get. If you play a position that doesn't get 9 figure contracts the Sox are all-in on setting the market for you. That's really only one position and that's relief pitching. It's been Hahn's biggest weakness playing with draft picks , FA's and trades on the most volatile position in baseball but the least expensive . Right now I'm just looking for a sign of anything other than going through the motions. I don't know if the Sox were at the Verlander showcase. I don't know if they show any interest in Andrew Heaney. I know they had no interest in Rodon. Meeting with Boras about Semien is most likely Boras being in the same place at the same time so getting it done as quickly as possible to tell the Sox he wants 8 yrs $200M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 And a case could be made that with Vaughn's impressive 2021, he may be someone to stick with over Eloy for LF, and have Eloy be part of a win now trade. -------------------------------------------- Vaughn is better than Eloy? OK. I won't re litigate that other than to say that is a joke. "Win now?" That was the promise of the Kimbrel trade where Hahn gave up other core pieces for nothing. I don't trust Hahn's judgment when it comes to trading away any player or top prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 None of the national writers tie the White Sox having interest in Semien. Happens every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 hours ago, 35thstreetswarm said: If the Sox were to pony up to sign Semien they would have an ungodly lineup 1-8 and all-star talent at 7 out of 8 defensive positions (pitching aside). I think bolstering a pitching staff that fell flat on its face in the playoffs would be a much higher priority than making it 8 out of 8. That would be the same players who posted the 27th worst fielding percentage and made the 26th most errors last season! I think a 2b talent like Semien would be very necessary to help that improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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