Chicago White Sox Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Marcus Semien is a better defensive SS than Tim Anderson. He sucked it up and played 2B on his one year collusion restrained late Toronto signing last off-season. His preference is likely to return to SS, and he'll likely receive at least one offer allowing him to do that at terms similar to an offer to remain at 2B. Collusion restrained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 No way. 31 year old (hello aging curve) right handed 2B with career what 770 OPS or so. Umm no. I need two SAVAGE LH bats this offseason. Not switch hitters that are better against lefties than righties. Not sub-850 OPS vs righties. SAVAGE LH bats. Figure it out. I'm tired of this problem. Solve the issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: No way. 31 year old (hello aging curve) right handed 2B with career what 770 OPS or so. Umm no. I need two SAVAGE LH bats this offseason. Not switch hitters that are better against lefties than righties. Not sub-850 OPS vs righties. SAVAGE LH bats. Figure it out. I'm tired of this problem. Solve the issue. I mean, Conforto is career .873 vs righties, so does that qualify as savage? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Quin said: I mean, Conforto is career .873 vs righties, so does that qualify as savage? The cutoff for savage is .875. He's slightly below savage unfortunately. 1 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Quin said: I mean, Conforto is career .873 vs righties, so does that qualify as savage? Yes, he is one, but where is the second one? I think Harold suggested Schwarber in another thread but the issue is where to put him considering the glut with DH types and Vaughn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCalChiSox said: Yes, he is one, but where is the second one? I think Harold suggested Schwarber in another thread but the issue is where to put him considering the glut with DH types and Vaughn. I guess if you wanna go fucking wild and try and convince someone to move to second, Seager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Yes, he is one, but where is the second one? I think Harold suggested Schwarber in another thread but the issue is where to put him considering the glut with DH types and Vaughn. I guess in that case, you would definitely have to deal Vaughn for pitching or a long-term 2B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I guess in that case, you would definitely have to deal Vaughn for pitching or a long-term 2B. If the Yankees sign a big name SS, maybe we can swap prospect. Vaughn for Volpe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 If Semien is really looking for a 7 year deal like discussed on MLB Network today, then no thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, fathom said: If Semien is really looking for a 7 year deal like discussed on MLB Network today, then no thanks. If that's going to be the attitude, then the White Sox's roster is on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If that's going to be the attitude, then the White Sox's roster is on the field. I’m fine giving out long deals, but not to a 31 year old at a non-premiere position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 minute ago, fathom said: I’m fine giving out long deals, but not to a 31 year old at a non-premiere position If you're dealing with a Boras client or someone comparable, and the MLB's FA market is not broken, then it's going to be for enough years and money that you'll say "This will look like a bad deal in only a few years". That will be the case with almost any of the top level FAs in the case of a functioning market. If you're not prepared for that, then you're not prepared for the FA market. The trick remains - to make it worth it, you sign the guy and then go win a world series. Or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, fathom said: If Semien is really looking for a 7 year deal like discussed on MLB Network today, then no thanks. This is basic negotiations 101 though. You’re starting position is not what you’re expecting and it’s probably even more ridiculous with Boras at helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said: Yes, he is one, but where is the second one? I think Harold suggested Schwarber in another thread but the issue is where to put him considering the glut with DH types and Vaughn. Sheets was .848 in his 191 PA sample size combining regular season and playoffs. You never know if .850 is a possibility. Edited November 23, 2021 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleedawg Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 4 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: Marcus Semien is a better defensive SS than Tim Anderson. He sucked it up and played 2B on his one year collusion restrained late Toronto signing last off-season. His preference is likely to return to SS, and he'll likely receive at least one offer allowing him to do that at terms similar to an offer to remain at 2B. What does that have to with batting leadoff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: This is basic negotiations 101 though. You’re starting position is not what you’re expecting and it’s probably even more ridiculous with Boras at helm. Most rumors are BS but it appears Semien is mentioned more often as going to SS vs 2B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 hours ago, kleedawg said: What does that have to with batting leadoff? It doesn’t, Tim should remain at leadoff, assuming Marcus and no one else major is brought in, because Tim consistently has a better OBP, whereas Marcus consistently has a better OPS, and can drive him home. 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: If that's going to be the attitude, then the White Sox's roster is on the field. I agree with Fathom, wouldn’t consider a 6-7 year deal for Semien, which he is also likely to sign as a SS. Don’t see the Sox offering that to him. The Sox can get multiple quality players for multiple holes spending those funds wisely, assuming that is even what Hahn had to work with, and they don’t screw over the future with Heyward type contracts. Now can Hahn do it like Kenny did with his 2004-2005 offseason moves is another story, though that’s beyond the scope of this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) On 11/21/2021 at 9:12 PM, Chicago White Sox said: What’s wrong with Bassitt? There's nothing wrong with Bassitt. He'll be a good pitcher to sign next year. There's a lot wrong with Rick Hahn trading for him. Horrid record with trades with As; trading for 1-year player (with all due respect to Lynn); weirdness of trading for a player that he once traded away for dimes on the dollar. Edited November 23, 2021 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleedawg Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 28 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: It doesn’t, Tim should remain at leadoff, assuming Marcus and no one else major is brought in, because Tim consistently has a better OBP, whereas Marcus consistently has a better OPS, and can drive him home. I agree with Fathom, wouldn’t consider a 6-7 year deal for Semien, which he is also likely to sign as a SS. Don’t see the Sox offering that to him. The Sox can get multiple quality players for multiple holes spending those funds wisely, assuming that is even what Hahn had to work with, and they don’t screw over the future with Heyward type contracts. Now can Hahn do it like Kenny did with his 2004-2005 offseason moves is another story, though that’s beyond the scope of this discussion. I'll quote myself fro a previous thread so I don't have to tyoe again: Hypothetically, if we got Semien I think he must bat 1st and T.A. second. If Semien leads off and get on first. The first baseman obviously would have the speedy runner on first, The second baseman would have to cheat towards second for double play positioning and a 2b cover on a steal. That leaves virtually the whole damn right side of the infield open for T.A. And T.A. loves to hit to right and is best when he does. This should easily add 15 points to Tim's batting average and greatly increase is RBI's. It would also increase the $$$$ coming on his new contract. The white sox would start a lot of games first and third no outs and the heart of the order coming up. If Semien doubles, then once again you have the perfect guy coming up to hit behind him. It doesn't work the other way around because Semien is a pull hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 38 minutes ago, SCCWS said: Most rumors are BS but it appears Semien is mentioned more often as going to SS vs 2B. Semien wants to get paid SS money similar to Machado wanting to get paid SS money. I’d wager he’ll happily play 2B if the money is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, GreenSox said: There's nothing wrong with Bassitt. He'll be a good pitcher to sign next year. There's a lot wrong with Rick Hahn trading for him. Horrid record with trades with As; trading for 1-year player (with all due respect to Lynn); weirdness of trading for a player that he once traded away for dimes on the dollar. There couldn't be a worse reason to not make a trade. If he is scared, he needs to find a new job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, GreenSox said: There's nothing wrong with Bassitt. He'll be a good pitcher to sign next year. There's a lot wrong with Rick Hahn trading for him. Horrid record with trades with As; trading for 1-year player (with all due respect to Lynn); weirdness of trading for a player that he once traded away for dimes on the dollar. Then what do you propose doing this offseason? How do you get us closer to winning a championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 56 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Semien wants to get paid SS money similar to Machado wanting to get paid SS money. I’d wager he’ll happily play 2B if the money is right. Playing 2B, if the money is right, on a playoff team. A lot of positives. But he may want to go back to SS and the money will be right just about anywhere he ends up. Might not be a playoff team though. We shall see as the SS sweepstakes will involve a lot of teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 5 hours ago, fathom said: I’m fine giving out long deals, but not to a 31 year old at a non-premiere position Exactly. If you are going that route - stick to 2 or 3 year deals. Or endorse my Marte(s) & Scherzer plan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Marte(s) & Scherzer plan The Bee’s Knees. Too bad the best things in life rarely actually happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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