flavum Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/baseball-hall-of-fame-ballot-2022-alex-rodriguez-david-ortiz-join-bonds-clemens-schilling-in-final-year/ It’s that time of year again. Last year on the ballot for Schilling, Bonds, and Clemens. I’d vote for the three mentioned, plus Rolen, Helton, Kent, Buehrle, Hunter, Hudson, Rollins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 I count a total of nine White Sox all-time greats on the ballot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2022: 1B Todd Helton; 3B Scott Rolen; SS Alex Rodriguez; LF Barry Bonds; LF Pete Rose (Write-in); CF Andruw Jones; SP Roger Clemens; SP Curt Schilling. 2022 Early Era Committee: SS Bill Dahlen. 2022 Golden Days Committee: 1B Dick Allen; 3B Ken Boyer; LF Minnie Minoso. Future Ballots through 2025: C Joe Mauer; 3B Adrian Beltre; RF Ichiro Suzuki; CF Carlos Beltran; SP C. C. Sabathia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, flavum said: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/baseball-hall-of-fame-ballot-2022-alex-rodriguez-david-ortiz-join-bonds-clemens-schilling-in-final-year/ It’s that time of year again. Last year on the ballot for Schilling, Bonds, and Clemens. I’d vote for the three mentioned, plus Rolen, Helton, Kent, Buehrle, Hunter, Hudson, Rollins All three of them can miss. They earned it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 My ballot: Rodriguez, Schilling, Rolen, Jones, Abreu, Kent, Helton, Buehrle, Rollins, Hudson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 22, 2021 Author Share Posted November 22, 2021 Going to be interesting to see how far Omar Vizquel will drop. He was at 49.1% last year because most of the votes were in before his news dropped. I bet he’s under 10%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 11/22/2021 at 12:43 PM, southsider2k5 said: All three of them can miss. They earned it. X2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I'd vote... Vizquel (just to keep him "on the ballot" until the MILB case has been determined Jones Wagner Helton Buehrle Ortiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 11/22/2021 at 1:18 PM, flavum said: Going to be interesting to see how far Omar Vizquel will drop. He was at 49.1% last year because most of the votes were in before his news dropped. I bet he’s under 10%. In fairness it seems like in this case they could hold him off the ballot this year. Then drop him entirely if found guilty or back on if innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 What's the beef with Schilling? I know he's a knuckle head, but aren't most athletes? I never heard any thing about PED's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, zisk said: What's the beef with Schilling? I know he's a knuckle head, but aren't most athletes? I never heard any thing about PED's. I saw this quote about Schilling from a guy named Eric Schaal....."Curt Schilling has been called a lot of things during and after his career in baseball, but popular was never one of them" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 11 Your expertise was sorely missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 “Elmer Bible” is an 80 grade name, though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Turkey Spam is actually not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shago Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Dick Allen, that is all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 The Barry bonds before he did steroids was a hall of fame player is still the dumbest argument I've ever heard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 19 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Odd to include Bonds but not Clemens. I can see a reasonable argument to include or exclude both. Jon stated the reason he limited his ballot to players not connected to steroids, with the exception of Bonds, is the fact that Bonds pre "steroid" career offers a compelling case. He then went on to state that players like Bobby Abreu, Ryan Howard, Torii Hunter and others have cases as well. Don't really agree with that assessment unless you are going for a 500 player + BBHOF (100 players per generation vs. the 20-30 per generation typically inducted by the BBWAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: Odd to include Bonds but not Clemens. I can see a reasonable argument to include or exclude both. Jon stated the reason he limited his ballot to players not connected to steroids, with the exception of Bonds, is the fact that Bonds pre "steroid" career offers a compelling case. He then went on to state that players like Bobby Abreu, Ryan Howard, Torii Hunter and others have cases as well. Don't really agree with that assessment unless you are going for a 500 player + BBHOF (100 players per generation vs. the 20-30 per generation typically inducted by the BBWAA. If you believe the Mitchell report that Clemens got his first shot with Torotno, Clemens had a measly 80 rWAR, 3 Cy young’s, 2 more top 3 finishes, and an MVP beforehand. I’d vote for that today. That’s more WAR and same number of Cy Young’s and MVPs as Kershaw today. Maybe Heyman believes he started earlier and his whole career is contaminated, but I totally believe Tetrahydrogestrinone was on stuff early in his career and just switched to “the hard stuff” in 99 as it was quoted in one book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I laugh whenever I see someone say Bonds started in 99 or use the excuse that he was a HOF player before then. Bonds was great before 99, so why just start cheating at that time? I believe Bonds was cheating earlier in his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: I laugh whenever I see someone say Bonds started in 99 or use the excuse that he was a HOF player before then. Bonds was great before 99, so why just start cheating at that time? I believe Bonds was cheating earlier in his career. There was a book that came out 15 or so years ago that said Tetrahydrogestrinone had dinner with Griffey after the 98 home run chase and said that it wasn’t fair that Sosa and McGwire got all that attention for cheating so he was going to go “on the hard stuff”. Then in 99 his new bicep tore itself in half. People read that as saying he was clean beforehand because they follow the motive and timing, but if Tetrahydrogestrinone had just been on Stanozolol beforehand, that’s the one Palmeiro and Tejada used and it didn’t transform their bodies like the THG did. Maybe even he didn’t use it as regularly but only in certain training or recovery cycles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I don't believe an organization should honor someone who dishonored the organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I don't believe we should honor anyone who breaks the rules while keeping Pete Rose out of the HOF. It's not a popularity contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 No red flags for Jeff Kent? He was pretty average until he turned 29 and went to SF. Guys getting better as they progressed through their 30s is a pretty recent phenomenon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 MLB created this special election today, and timed it to have SOMETHING positive to hawk on their website and cable channel at the start of the owner lockout. Announcement for any additions will occur at 5PM today. No word on whether any inductees will have their name and likeness appear, or whether they will be inducted with MLB's preferred mandated faceless plaque. https://baseballhall.org/news/golden-days-era-committee-early-baseball-era-committee-ballots-to-be-considered-dec-5 Really hope Dick Allen and Minnie Minoso are inducted tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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