Bob Sacamano Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Just now, Balta1701 said: How can 2 hits and a walk total 4 ER? Hit by pitch is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Cavan Biggio is a name I'd be really happy with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Cavan Biggio is a name I'd be really happy with Honestly, I’m not a big fan of the name Cavan, but to each his own. Biggio is fine. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Until it’s used as an excuse for not making other adds, I like this signing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 51 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I'll b**** about the Sox paying for guys at their absolute peak value as long as they keep doing it. It will never stop being stupid; just as it was stupid for Kimbrel, it is stupid for Graveman. Find guys before their one breakout campaign, stop signing them after it. Just my thoughts. I'm not a fan of the sustainability of Graveman as a reliever. I could be wrong. This is just arrogant and stupid. You’re basically assuming the dude is a one year wonder because he doesn’t have a track record as a reliever and are acting the like the Sox should be able to pickup quality setup fairly easily on the cheap. Maybe you missed the memo, but our RH setup man before this trade (once you accept the fact Kimbrel will be gone) were some combination of Jose Ruiz, Ryan Burr, & Matt Foster. To think we didn’t need to sign at least one quality arm in free agency is comical. And maybe, just maybe the Sox pro scouting department believes the dude is here to stay as a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Cavan Biggio is a name I'd be really happy with No thanks. Don't like the contact issues. Edited November 23, 2021 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 I also like the fact that for teams in need of a proven reliever, signing Graveman improves the market for Kimbrel. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 55 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: So lemme get this straight - you wanted to go into 2021 with a bullpen of Hendriks, Bummer, Crochet, Ruiz, Lopez, Foster, Burr and the winner of Lambert/Stiever/Sousa/Severino in ST? Because that is what you're looking at if you don't add a major league reliever. Nope, he just thinks we should easily be able to add three Graveman type relievers on the cheap this offseason before they actually break out. Easy Peasy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Just now, Jack Parkman said: No thanks. Contact issues, etc. Well he'd be batting 9th as a lefty and some pop. I'll settle for a low batting average but .800 OPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 55 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: No, I wanted the White Sox to find an arm who may be prone for a breakout, or develop an arm who could find a new pitch or a new approach to take a next step. The Sox have invested so heavily in the bullpen in the last five years and they've whiffed almost every time but for Hendriks. They continue the same MO of buying at the peak instead of creating a peak themselves. Who have they bought at the peak exactly other than Hendriks? They literally tried rolling out a bunch of young, self-developed types last season and most of those dudes crashed & burned. Let me guess, you’ll reference Kimbrel again despite all trade deadline additions being bought at peak value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: How can 2 hits and a walk total 4 ER? He also hit a batter and then gave up a grand slam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Who have they bought at the peak exactly other than Hendriks? They literally tried rolling out a bunch of young, self-developed types last season and most of those dudes crashed & burned. Let me guess, you’ll reference Kimbrel again despite all trade deadline additions being bought at peak value. Going back? Linebrink and Kimbrel just off the top of my head. Edited November 23, 2021 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Going back? Linebrink and Kimbrel just off the top of my head. Linestink was 13 years ago. Edited November 23, 2021 by ron883 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ron883 said: Linestink was 15 years ago. Was still the same braintrust and I think he was 2008. Edited November 23, 2021 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Just now, ron883 said: Linestink was 15 years ago. and that was not his peak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 This is a very, very smart move. He’s an extreme ground all pitcher, so he plays at GRF. He has experience as a closer and in high leverage situations and he was a starter so he might be able to go for a couple innings every once in a while. And he’s only 30. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Just now, Baron said: and that was not his peak When the Sox signed him, it was...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: There’s a buncha caution flags in his numbers. Big jump in his Houston walk rate, career low HR rate in 2021 too. But it’s also his first year as a full time reliever, so maybe that’s who he is out of the bullpen. I feel like this one is squarely a test of those big league scouts. Are they just looking at his ERA and saying “that’s fine” or have they really torn into his tape this year? If he’s got an ERa of 2 in July someone can bump this post when trying to compliment them. Is this a real question? Scouts don’t just look at a pitcher’s ERA and say “that’s fine”. They are actually “scouting” the player and coming up with a go-forward outlook for him. Clearly our pro scouts believe the 2021 version is here to stay. They could be wrong, but it’s stupid to assume they do no due diligence prior to a material signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: When the Sox signed him, it was...... Was that in 2004 with San Diego? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Going back? Linebrink and Kimbrel just off the top of my head. Linebrink was signed in 2008…lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Just now, Baron said: Was that in 2004 with San Diego? They gave him a pretty big contract for a reliever at the time. I get your point though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Linebrink was signed in 2008…lol. They haven't been in a position to buy top relievers in a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Who have they bought at the peak exactly other than Hendriks? They literally tried rolling out a bunch of young, self-developed types last season and most of those dudes crashed & burned. Let me guess, you’ll reference Kimbrel again despite all trade deadline additions being bought at peak value. I can't wait to see the same people who are upset the Sox never spend big in the free agent market, talk about how the Sox overspend in the free agent market. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Just now, Jack Parkman said: They gave him a pretty big contract for a reliever at the time. I get your point though. Well it's reinforcing Chi Sox's point. He wasn't at his peak then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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