GreenSox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Ray, to, me, screams "buy high." He had a career year last year. Otherwise, he's good, not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Trying to figure out this annual sniping that a top pitching free agent is just a pop up flavor of the month with the fact that those pitchers continue to be good acquisitions ?♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, bmags said: Trying to figure out this annual sniping that a top pitching free agent is just a pop up flavor of the month with the fact that those pitchers continue to be good acquisitions ?♂️ Didn’t you bring up Patrick Corbin as one of those comparable one year step up acquisitions a couple days ago? Is a 5.82 ERA in year 3 good enough for you in this case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 I like Ray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I like Ray "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I like Ray I know I’d like to look at Ray run in those spandex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sambuca said: I know I’d like to look at Ray run in those spandex. The poster? Well, at least they could have a “Men in Tight Pants Admitted Free” promotion…that would be unique, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Didn’t you bring up Patrick Corbin as one of those comparable one year step up acquisitions a couple days ago? Is a 5.82 ERA in year 3 good enough for you in this case? Gonna go on a limb and say Washington does not regret signing Corbin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The poster? Well, at least they could have a “Men in Tight Pants Admitted Free” promotion…that would be unique, at least. Posters are a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1880902-evaluating-the-success-rate-of-mlb-contracts-over-100-million David Price, Barry Zito, Johan Santana, Mark Hampton, Jordan Zimmermann, Jake Arrieta, etc., say hello. I wouldn’t particularly want to be tied to Stephen Strasburg either, but hey, he won a WS for them, right? We actually gave Contreras another 3 years we shouldn’t have based on that same reasoning, albeit nothing like the type of dollars we see now in the sport. To be fair, it’s a pretty mixed bag. That particular article looked at the first generation of $100+ million deals, and now we’re already onto $200 million as the new standard. If you look at the past decade, the biggest disappointments have been on the position player side like Chris Davis, Ellsbury, Sandoval, Pujols, Josh Hamilton and Hanley Ramirez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, bmags said: Gonna go on a limb and say Washington does not regret signing Corbin. I’m willing to say that everyone has done a good job as long as they win the World Series this year as long as you agree that anything less is a failure where heads should roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: I’m willing to say that everyone has done a good job as long as they win the World Series this year as long as you agree that anything less is a failure where heads should roll. No I’m sorry my opinions aren’t teenage AIM away messages 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I’m willing to say that everyone has done a good job as long as they win the World Series this year as long as you agree that anything less is a failure where heads should roll. Well, that’s the Cubs fan’s excuse for the blown Heyward deal (but his leadership during that Game 7 rain delay!!!) and Gleyber Torres trade…which looks not quite so terrible about right now. Sox fans can say how great Cotts was in 2005 and forget that original trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Well, that’s the Cubs fan’s excuse for the blown Heyward deal (but his leadership during that Game 7 rain delay!!!) and Gleyber Torres trade…which looks not quite so terrible about right now. Sox fans can say how great Cotts was in 2005 and forget that original trade. Except Corbin was awesome in 2019, won a WS game and 2020 was fine in a shortened year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Well, that’s the Cubs fan’s excuse for the blown Heyward deal (but his leadership during that Game 7 rain delay!!!) and Gleyber Torres trade…which looks not quite so terrible about right now. Sox fans can say how great Cotts was in 2005 and forget that original trade. But what about Scott Schoeneweis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, bmags said: Trying to figure out this annual sniping that a top pitching free agent is just a pop up flavor of the month with the fact that those pitchers continue to be good acquisitions ?♂️ Well this 'top pitching free agent' will definitely be a top priced one, and for several years at that. He misses bats, I'll give him that - but wait til he gets a load of Eloy in left and Sheets in right. He'll know then that he has to miss bats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, FoxForce2 said: Well this 'top pitching free agent' will definitely be a top priced one, and for several years at that. He misses bats, I'll give him that - but wait til he gets a load of Eloy in left and Sheets in right. He'll know then that he has to miss bats. Leading to an average out of 4 2/3 IP every time out as his K and BB total escalate. Prior to re-discovering the strike zone in 2021, he was actually in that 4.75-5.25 IP range per start over three consecutive seasons. Last year up to over 6 IP per start and 193+ innings, a jump of over 140 IP from 2020 and by far his most in a season by roughly 20 innings. That’s a pretty loud red flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 hours ago, bmags said: Except Corbin was awesome in 2019, won a WS game and 2020 was fine in a shortened year. He went 2-7 with a 4.66 ERA and a 1.57 WHIP in 2020. That’s fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: He went 2-7 with a 4.66 ERA and a 1.57 WHIP in 2020. That’s fine? We can excuse it away…shortened season. See Semien, Marcus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Being a Sox fan is awesome! We dodged another bullet. Thank the lord! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Being a Sox fan is awesome! We dodged another bullet. Thank the lord! We are running out of pitchers "like Robbie Ray." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, Bob Sacamano said: We are running out of pitchers "like Robbie Ray." Call the White Sox Neo, because they're dodging these bullets with grace and elegance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 That’s a deal Sox should have been interested in 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, fathom said: That’s a deal Sox should have been interested in I'm gonna guess the Harold post about them misreading the market was about Ray. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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