Quin Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: You guys think this gets Finland and Sweden to join NATO? I'd be very nervous if I was a Finn right now. Sweden came out and basically said it wouldn't. Finland said it'd apply if needed. But they're also part of the EU, and Article 42.7 says that if they're attacked, the EU comes to its aid. Considering so many EU nations are part of NATO, well, you can do the math. Russia can't win a conventional war against the EU-NATO, hence Putin's madman threats. Right now, some good news is China and Switzerland are actually hitting Russia financially, which was a bit unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Its breathtaking watching certain politicians and media types who were blaming the US & praising Putin just a few days ago, are now backtracking. As the Russians are now entering Kyiv itself, one wonders how they can live with themselves. Has Trump back-tracked yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Invasions are old school and do not result in loyalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 hours ago, pettie4sox said: I really hope this is a joke... Yeah I voted for Ho Chi Minh because I never liked LBJ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 3 hours ago, pcq said: Lauren Witzke, the Delaware GOP's candidate for Senate in 2020, has nothing but praise for Putin and "his Christian nationalist nation": "I identify more with Putin's Christian values than I do with Joe Biden." 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Has Trump back-tracked yet? I mean, it's so fucking obvious. Without making it political, there's one side of the aisle that's all too happy to Putin's lackey and Putin's b****. It also extends to that same side's media types as well. Within a few generations, they've gone from: "Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall" To "I identify with Putin." We really need a fucking draft in this country. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 8 hours ago, turnin' two said: Of how shitty the USSR was/ is? How many facilities can you name in the Ukraine? I could think of one and it fell to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Quin said: Sweden came out and basically said it wouldn't. Finland said it'd apply if needed. But they're also part of the EU, and Article 42.7 says that if they're attacked, the EU comes to its aid. Considering so many EU nations are part of NATO, well, you can do the math. Russia can't win a conventional war against the EU-NATO, hence Putin's madman threats. Right now, some good news is China and Switzerland are actually hitting Russia financially, which was a bit unexpected. I was shocked when I saw China put some sanctions on Russia. That could be huge, if for nothing else but to hurt the "its the west against us" cry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Texsox said: How many facilities can you name in the Ukraine? I could think of one and it fell to them. Fair enough, but it would be one I'd be pretty willing to let someone else sit on. Obviously giving the Russians a staging point that near to Kyiv is not good though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 It's interesting that in 2022 a dictator is allowed to dictate, i.e. start a war. Do the Russian people, the zillions who live in Russia really want to blow Ukraine off the map? Do they really want war? How can one man be so powerful? Would the people of Russia rebel against Putin? I'm sickened by the start of this war. From what I've read and it's dangerous to read stuff it's been suggested Russia's army is not exactly rolling over Ukraine. Could Russia be defeated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Men between 18-50 are not allowed to leave Ukraine. All hands on deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 12 hours ago, turnin' two said: I was shocked when I saw China put some sanctions on Russia. That could be huge, if for nothing else but to hurt the "its the west against us" cry. China abstained on the UN vote about Ukraine so it is interesting if they are sanctioning Russia. From what I've heard, Russia has large cash reserves so sanctions might not affect them much for a year or more. My concern is with Europe caving when energy prices skyrocket even more. Prayers for the Ukranian people and to the I'm sure many Russians who never wanted any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsideirish71 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 13 hours ago, greg775 said: It's interesting that in 2022 a dictator is allowed to dictate, i.e. start a war. Do the Russian people, the zillions who live in Russia really want to blow Ukraine off the map? Do they really want war? How can one man be so powerful? Would the people of Russia rebel against Putin? I'm sickened by the start of this war. From what I've read and it's dangerous to read stuff it's been suggested Russia's army is not exactly rolling over Ukraine. Could Russia be defeated? Most of the Russian media is not covering this as a full invasion. They are covering this as Russian forces helping to liberate the Eastern part of Ukraine and their russian speakers from neo nazi's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 26, 2022 Author Share Posted February 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said: Most of the Russian media is not covering this as a full invasion. They are covering this as Russian forces helping to liberate the Eastern part of Ukraine and their russian speakers from neo nazi's. The best sanction methods remaining now are removal from SWIFT (Germany and Italy just switched opposition), the Russian sovereign wealth fund access (roughly $600 billion) locked out by the ECB, Bank of England and Fed...and a no fly zone which could easily create a hot war with one side or the other accidentally downing an enemy plane. The biggest point is NATO isn't fracturing, they're actually coming closer and closer to a unified position, even Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 This will sting. Good. Everyone important is on there so it will be happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 10 hours ago, Balta1701 said: This will sting. Good. Everyone important is on there so it will be happening. I only hope the good citizens of the world will continue to support freedom for the Ukraine when it starts hurting their pocketbooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 18 hours ago, southsideirish71 said: Most of the Russian media is not covering this as a full invasion. They are covering this as Russian forces helping to liberate the Eastern part of Ukraine and their russian speakers from neo nazi's. And the best lies have a kernel of truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 36 minutes ago, Texsox said: And the best lies have a kernel of truth. Ukrainian President Zelensky is Jewish. And his grandfather had two siblings, killed by the Nazis. Looking for the grain of truth in this lie leaves me uncomfortable at best. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 EU financing weapons for Ukraine. The proxy war heats up. When do we officially send "advisers" in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 What would have to happen for NATO to so coordinated missile strikes on Russian military targets? This is what I was thinking of, even if it isn’t the same conflict at all. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Gov Abbott of Texas is urging Texas companies to boycott Russian Products. Russian vodka is being replaced but Ukrainian sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, The Beast said: What would have to happen for NATO to so coordinated missile strikes on Russian military targets? This is what I was thinking of, even if it isn’t the same conflict at all. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia NATO will have to grow a pair and accept the risk of a nuclear reply. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 2 hours ago, The Beast said: What would have to happen for NATO to so coordinated missile strikes on Russian military targets? This is what I was thinking of, even if it isn’t the same conflict at all. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia NATO should not do this unless there is an attack by Russian forces on NATO forces somewhere or there is a resolution supporting military action by someone like the UN. Since Russia has a UN Security Council veto, the security council authorizing such military action is unlikely. NATO should not join in a war against Russia directly without specific cause. NATO should not be the aggressors. If we think this is Bloody, marching to Moscow and conducting regime change there would be monstrous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I agree that NATO shouldn't jump him. It would be interesting if NATO forces came on a non combat humanitarian mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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