southsider2k5 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Well done Portugal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Yesterday I made donations to World Central Kitchen and to my sister in law’s coworker in Poland who is housing a Ukrainian family. It felt good to give to people who really need it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I went with Doctors without Borders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBX Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I'm surprised that so few people are skeptical of the media-intel-military complex waving blue/yellow flags after having seen its geopolitical handiwork for the past few decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 12:39 PM, KBX said: I'm surprised that so few people are skeptical of the media-intel-military complex waving blue/yellow flags after having seen its geopolitical handiwork for the past few decades. Wait you mean the Arab Spring wasn’t organic?!? ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Sadly I can only imagine what this means for Ukrainian casualties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 The war crimes accusations make me nervous. It seems like a case is being made for NATO to get involved directly. Ukraine isn't large enough to contain a Russia versus NATO battle. It will spill across borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Texsox said: The war crimes accusations make me nervous. It seems like a case is being made for NATO to get involved directly. Ukraine isn't large enough to contain a Russia versus NATO battle. It will spill across borders. There are no good choices Stay out of it and watch possibly thousands of Ukranians die. Get involved and have possibly millions die worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: There are no good choices Stay out of it and watch possibly thousands of Ukranians die. Get involved and have possibly millions die worldwide. Biden put together a team to plan strategy if Russia uses chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons. Two thoughts One: Why isn't that a permanent team? Two: My stepson recently finished CBRN training and is in South Korea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 7:02 PM, Texsox said: Biden put together a team to plan strategy if Russia uses chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons. Two thoughts One: Why isn't that a permanent team? Two: My stepson recently finished CBRN training and is in South Korea. Got a link to prove any of this? It goes without saying that the Pentagon has civilian strategists, as well as general staff types working on this sort of thing all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Got a link to prove any of this? It goes without saying that the Pentagon has civilian strategists, as well as general staff types working on this sort of thing all the time. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/us/politics/biden-russia-nuclear-weapons.amp.html BRUSSELS — The White House has quietly assembled a team of national security officials to sketch out scenarios of how the United States and its allies should respond if President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia — frustrated by his lack of progress in Ukraine or determined to warn Western nations against intervening in the war — unleashes his stockpiles of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. I'm not going to supply proof of my son's assignment. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. He graduated from Ft. Leonard Wood in Missouri, the only base CBRN trains at. You can fact check that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Got a link to prove any of this? It goes without saying that the Pentagon has civilian strategists, as well as general staff types working on this sort of thing all the time. No need to provide a link. I know how to use Google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Texsox said: No need to provide a link. I know how to use Google. Im glad you do. But when you post something, its common courtesy to source what you post. Otherwise, if you just post what you see, you come off as a Greg. Edited March 25, 2022 by Two-Gun Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Texsox said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/us/politics/biden-russia-nuclear-weapons.amp.html BRUSSELS — The White House has quietly assembled a team of national security officials to sketch out scenarios of how the United States and its allies should respond if President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia — frustrated by his lack of progress in Ukraine or determined to warn Western nations against intervening in the war — unleashes his stockpiles of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. I'm not going to supply proof of my son's assignment. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. He graduated from Ft. Leonard Wood in Missouri, the only base CBRN trains at. You can fact check that. I dont care about you proving your stepson's assignment. Its good that there are servicemen to do the work that veterans like myself used to do. Thank you to your stepson. But to the "tiger team," this really isn't at all as you had originally described it. The Pentagon, West Point, and both military and civilian intelligence types work on this sort of thing "all the time." The "tiger team," as described by the NYT, is a NATO workgroup specific to the current conflict. Edited March 25, 2022 by Two-Gun Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 25, 2022 Author Share Posted March 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Got a link to prove any of this? It goes without saying that the Pentagon has civilian strategists, as well as general staff types working on this sort of thing all the time. It's called the Tiger Team even...anticipating the events of Ukraine. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/us/politics/biden-russia-nuclear-weapons.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I don't believe my description was inaccurate. I described their mission precisely. Again, it seems like it should be a permanent team. Which was the question I asked. You read my post and didn't believe that team could be true. So you were as surprised as I was that a team like that wasn't already in place. I'll summarize if the information I'm using is behind a paywall. If something is widely reported as this was, I don't bother with a link. I heard or read it from at least five different news sources. Albeit two seemed to be just repeating the NYT story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Texsox said: I don't believe my description was inaccurate. I described their mission precisely. Again, it seems like it should be a permanent team. Which was the question I asked. You read my post and didn't believe that team could be true. So you were as surprised as I was that a team like that wasn't already in place. I'll summarize if the information I'm using is behind a paywall. If something is widely reported as this was, I don't bother with a link. I heard or read it from at least five different news sources. Albeit two seemed to be just repeating the NYT story. You made it sound as though there were not people working on scenarios "all the time," and said that "Biden put together a team to plan strategy," as if the Pentagon doesn't work on this already. Had you said that the US and NATO put together a workgroup to collaboratively strategize the current situation, you would have been accurate. Again, the Pentagon works on this sort of thing "all the time." What we may or may not do is to work collaboratively with our allies on an active shooting war adjacent to our allies. And yes, do cite your sources, or you gregg up threads. It takes all of ~10 seconds to do, and is a common courtesy for the rest of us. Hell, at a bare minimum, the phrase, "I saw over on NYT that...." would have been better than a gregg of a post, without bothering with citation. Edited March 25, 2022 by Two-Gun Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I assumed people know that multiple government agencies would each have teams responsible for this. I believe Soxtalk posters are that smart and don't need dialogue for dummies. But I'll include a few links for folks that might be less informed or need more information. https://bfy.tw/Sn3Y https://bfy.tw/Sn3S https://bfy.tw/Qs2P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Texsox said: I assumed people know that multiple government agencies would each have teams responsible for this. I believe Soxtalk posters are that smart and don't need dialogue for dummies. But I'll include a few links for folks that might be less informed or need more information. Wait, just a few posts ago, you wrote, ..."One: Why isn't that a permanent team," as if you weren't aware. Now, you're trying to play it off as if you were. You made the claim that, "Biden put together a team to plan strategy," which really wasn't true. More like NATO made a workgroup, and then you Gregg'ed it up. I get that you gotta protect your ego from being asked to cite your sources. But, NO ONE is attacking you, OK? Citing your sources is really a matter of courtesy to do so. Thats all. Edited March 25, 2022 by Two-Gun Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Lol. Should I cite that there is a war in Ukraine? Biden is President? The team's formation was widely reported. It didn't hurt my ego you needed help with Google. I enjoy teaching. It was literally the first ten results when I found it for you. Why didn't you believe the White House put a team together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CentralChamps21 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I'm surprised this hasn't happened more. I can't imagine that the majority of rank and file Russian soldiers think conquering Ukraine is something worth dying for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 16 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said: I'm surprised this hasn't happened more. I can't imagine that the majority of rank and file Russian soldiers think conquering Ukraine is something worth dying for. But not conquering is worth committing murder for? That's a huge step and big self sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 55 minutes ago, Texsox said: But not conquering is worth committing murder for? That's a huge step and big self sacrifice. If killing one guy is going to save your own life plus dozens of others? It's a no-brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Texsox said: But not conquering is worth committing murder for? That's a huge step and big self sacrifice. You don't remember the fragging of 90 day wonders in Vietnam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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