Polar Bear Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Two-Gun Pete said: I hope we get Pederson. Thats how I started bc i knew ole cheap JR wouldn't open the wallet for any of the bigger names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Conforto's 3 year ZiPS projection 2022: 2.4 WAR 2023: 2.5 WAR 2024: 2 WAR I'm gonna assume 2025 is gonna be sub-2 WAR. So in all, you're getting around 9 WAR the next 4 years. If the asking price really is 4 years and $88 million, I can see why the Sox would be hesitant. But that does not excuse how they've mis-allocated funds so far this off-season. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBX Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 If AV is outgoing I want Harold Reynolds. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, almagest said: Seems like no one is going to 4 years with Conforto, otherwise he'd have signed elsewhere already. 4/80 <-> 4/100 seems like a fine place to settle, though. I also don't get that, unless he has serious injury or productivity falloff concerns. He'd be 32 at the end of that deal, so age shouldn't be a concern. Yeah, I thought he was already 30... Doesn't matter, because while they're totally comfortable splashing $16MM/per on a closer they don't need, $20+MM/Per is just "too much" for an everyday player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: I said that a couple days ago. If that doesn't get it done, then fuck it, but it should. I figured a 5th year would be the ask and the hangup. But if its only 4 there is no damned reason not to lock that up. Just asinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) Hey is Jay Buhner available? I heard he would be a solid pickup for the Sox. Edited March 16, 2022 by maloney.adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Laureano is yet another righty though. And he did roids. And how many of us wanted Starling Marte at last year's deadline? And we all love Hector Santiago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, chw42 said: Conforto's 3 year ZiPS projection 2022: 2.4 WAR 2023: 2.5 WAR 2024: 2 WAR I'm gonna assume 2025 is gonna be sub-2 WAR. So in all, you're getting around 9 WAR the next 4 years. If the asking price really is 4 years and $88 million, I can see why the Sox would be hesitant. But that does not excuse how they've mis-allocated funds so far this off-season. it's going to cost more per WAR to improve a 92 win team than a 75 one almost every time. That's just where we are at. Yes it's "expensive" but winning is expensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, chw42 said: Conforto's 3 year ZiPS projection 2022: 2.4 WAR 2023: 2.5 WAR 2024: 2 WAR I'm gonna assume 2025 is gonna be sub-2 WAR. So in all, you're getting around 9 WAR the next 4 years. If the asking price really is 4 years and $88 million, I can see why the Sox would be hesitant. But that does not excuse how they've mis-allocated funds so far this off-season. They're trying to win the WS, not the $/WAR title. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: You have me at a disadvantage . You're a mod and I am not. You're allowed to be feisty ( a word I chose carefully) and insulting .I got suspended for it. So I won't go that route with you. Oh right Yea that gets the big thumbs up from me ? (imagine this but very big) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: it's going to cost more per WAR to improve a 92 win team than a 75 one almost every time. That's just where we are at. Yes it's "expensive" but winning is expensive. Mumbles something about 2015 and tarring and feathering Rick Hahn and moves on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: They're trying to win the WS, not the $/WAR title. Don't worry, Rick Hahn has made sure we're not gonna win that title with how we've spent money this off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, chw42 said: Conforto's 3 year ZiPS projection 2022: 2.4 WAR 2023: 2.5 WAR 2024: 2 WAR I'm gonna assume 2025 is gonna be sub-2 WAR. So in all, you're getting around 9 WAR the next 4 years. If the asking price really is 4 years and $88 million, I can see why the Sox would be hesitant. But that does not excuse how they've mis-allocated funds so far this off-season. Honestly, this window is like 3 years right now, if the 4th year of that contract sucked so be it. I know that’s not how the Sox are looking at things and I know we want to have a sustained run but this is where we’re at right now imo. Edited March 16, 2022 by Rowand44 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don't. He doesn't have any value without options. Lambert could be in it though. Why would a team want to option him? If they trade for him it's because they convinced themselves he's a cheap back of the rotation starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: Thats how I started bc i knew ole cheap JR wouldn't open the wallet for any of the bigger names Look, much of the board is now having the same meltdown i had weeks/months ago. I've settled into the level of "acceptance" already, so Pederson doesn't bother me as much as it should. So while the "rebuilding" scrubs get Stroman and Suzuki, the "contending" white sox get Pederson and Velasquez. This is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Hey at least we had a seat at the table. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, maloney.adam said: Hey at least we had a seat at the table. Where's @HahnsKiddieTable? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, maloney.adam said: Hey at least we had a seat at the table. It was a booster seat, but a seat nonetheless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 50 minutes ago, Pal said: Would you guys rather roll with Sheets/Vaughn/Engel (what's left of him) in RF, or trade one of them and go with Joc Pederson? Joc imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 The lockout totally made me forget about this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Polar Bear said: Joc imo Again: why would you sign a 1.5 WAR aging FA in order to jettison a 1.5 WAR younger, could still improve player you have under team control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: Again: why would you sign a 1.5 WAR aging FA in order to jettison a 1.5 WAR younger, could still improve player you have under team control? I think the point of signing any extra OFers is so that in case anyone gets hurt again (which we know probably will happen again), we won't be picking guys off the scrap heap to fill in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: Again: why would you sign a 1.5 WAR aging FA in order to jettison a 1.5 WAR younger, could still improve player you have under team control? Because presumably you’re getting something of value by trading the younger one, not jettisoning them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, southsider2k5 said: He probably wanted to go back to Atlanta. But they were so adamant about that 6th year that Atlanta said fuck it and traded for Olson. Now he might not get that 6th year with another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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