Harold's Leg Lift Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, raBBit said: I didn't envision building the most expensive bullpen in baseball and hoarding utility players who don't get on base coming into an offseason where we had needs at 2B/RF/SP. This was always the fear with Hahn that he doesn't have the balls to make the big move to put the team over the top. It's easy to make a bad team average or an average team good but it's extremely difficult to make a good team great. Hahn seems happy to improve in the margins rather than dropping his dick on the table to make this team great. There's still a chance he does something but the longer this drags on the less optimistic I get. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, FoxForce2 said: I have no idea what the Sox would do with Moose. 1. Flip Keuchel for Moustakas and prospects. 2. Flip Moustakas for Hosmer and prospects. 3. Flip Hosmer, cash and prospects for Oakland pitcher 4. ??? 5. Profit 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: This was always the fear with Hahn that he doesn't have the balls to make the big move to put the team over the top. It's easy to make a bad team average or an average team good but it's extremely difficult to make a good team great. Hahn seems happy to improve in the margins rather than dropping his dick on the table to make this team great. There's still a chance he does something but the longer this drags on the less optimistic I get. You still confident that Kimbrel is getting dealt or where is your head at there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: Yes, but the question I asked right after that is what I'm really curious about. Vaughn 720.1 innings in LF -2 DRS 118 innings in RF -3 DRS SHeets 82 innings in RF -2 DRS , 23 innings in LF 0 DRS Castellanos 1123 innings in RF -7 DRS Conforto 956.1 inning RF -4 DRS but he did have some hamstring problems that may have led to that because in the past he has never been in the negative in DRS in RF or LF There's just not enough data to support any conclusion on your 2nd question. Castellanos bat if he was a Conforto level fielder fielder ( in any yr. but last yr) probably is 6.0 fWar but he had a career high 4.2 . He had never been above 3 fWAR prior to last year. If I had to guess the gap is larger between Castellanos and Conforto. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rowand44 said: You still confident that Kimbrel is getting dealt or where is your head at there? He's gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just once I'd like to see the Sox SET the market instead of reacting to it. Who fucking cares if you overpay a guy by 10 million over the course of a few years? Just get it done, get the guys in camp and let's roll. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: Just once I'd like to see the Sox SET the market instead of reacting to it. Who fucking cares if you overpay a guy by 10 million over the course of a few years? Just get it done, get the guys in camp and let's roll. We did set the market. We set it on utility players and relievers. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: We did set the market. We set it on utility players and relievers. Bold move, we'll see if it pays off for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: He's gone. If that's the case...would that free money for RF acquisition? Do you think they are just waiting for this domino to fall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rowand44 said: You still confident that Kimbrel is getting dealt or where is your head at there? I don't think I've seen this offered yet, but where is Kimbrel right now (physically) while everyone else is arriving at camp? Haven't heard any indication that he's shown up. To me that's an indicator that the team has communicated with him that they're actively working on a trade and that he'll be on the move soon anyway, no point in coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, MiddleCoastBias said: I don't think I've seen this offered yet, but where is Kimbrel right now (physically) while everyone else is arriving at camp? Haven't heard any indication that he's shown up. To me that's an indicator that the team has communicated with him that they're actively working on a trade and that he'll be on the move soon anyway, no point in coming here. He’s there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Just once I'd like to see the Sox SET the market instead of reacting to it. Who fucking cares if you overpay a guy by 10 million over the course of a few years? Just get it done, get the guys in camp and let's roll. They did that with Grandal, if we're being fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, Tony said: They did that with Grandal, if we're being fair. True, biggest contract in Sox history, to also be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: This was always the fear with Hahn that he doesn't have the balls to make the big move to put the team over the top. It's easy to make a bad team average or an average team good but it's extremely difficult to make a good team great. Hahn seems happy to improve in the margins rather than dropping his dick on the table to make this team great. There's still a chance he does something but the longer this drags on the less optimistic I get. My sentiment on this off-season precisely. I've defended this FO in years past for missing on Manny/Harper/Wheeler/Springer etc, because either the team wasn't ready for those expenditure or we will get our guy eventually. 4 years after rebuilding our window is wide open and our needs are clear, yet we're still waiting to get the guy who will put us over the top. We were told the money will be spent, but it ended up being spent on decent complementary players (Grandal, Hendriks) or a bunch of mediocre, aging players (Keuchel, Eaton, Kelly, Harrison, etc.) because either JR won't commit to 9 figure deals or Hahn is just bad at what he does. Either way, the "finishing touches" being put on this team is nearing disastrous. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Mind boggling to me how this is how the FO thinks will put them over the top. The bullpen is not why we got absolutely embarrassed in the playoffs. Overpaid C tier free agents arent going to overcome the better teams in the AL. This offseason so far is beyond disappointing. Other AL teams are getting better, you can argue we are worse. Time is ticking Hahn, you get way too much praise for the mediocre job you have done in the FA market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: True, biggest contract in Sox history, to also be fair. They set the market on aging catchers and relievers ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, flavum said: He’s there Farts. My conspiracy theory lived on for a fresh 30 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: We did set the market. We set it on utility players and relievers. Injured players and DFA'd players also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, BFirebird said: If that's the case...would that free money for RF acquisition? Do you think they are just waiting for this domino to fall? I don't think they're related. I think they're waiting for the reliever market to shake out and it looks like it's finally starting to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, flavum said: He’s there And has been visibly working out. Not hiding or anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I don't think they're related. I think they're waiting for the reliever market to shake out and it looks like it's finally starting to happen. Thanks...that's disappointing. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) You can't be serious: James Fegan @JRFegan 20m Rick Hahn more or less said White Sox are done adding to 2B mix with Harrison. Mentioned Jake Burger among their 2B depth. Acknowledged that you can essentially never rule out Andrew Vaughn playing anywhere. LF and 3B sound like other spots for Harrison to see time Edited March 15, 2022 by chitownsportsfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tony said: They did that with Grandal, if we're being fair. Yes — and it worked. You'd think, if anything, his performance would make them even more comfortable jumping the market to get their targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: He's gone. But what's the point if they aren't going to use the savings in a meaningful* way? *And by meaningful, I mean using it in a way other that stuffing JRs pocket or spending it on multiple scrubs instead of one legit good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I need to go sulk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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