Two-Gun Pete Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’ve been thinking about this as well. But what kind of salary do you give him if he costs a draft pick? The Cubs valued the loss of the 7th pick in the 2nd round and corresponding bonus pool losses (both domestic & international) around $20M. Just don’t know what you could pay him on a one year deal that makes sense for both sides. Our 2nd round pick is way lower and the Cubs are probably being a bit ridiculous there, but I think you’d have to shave at least $5M off a normalized salary. Would you be ok with a 1/$15M deal? I can’t see him getting much more than that on a one year deal. Why are you doing this to yourself? You're setting yourself up to be as embittered as others are at this org. Now, you asked a question, and I'll answer: Given the loss of a pick, I'd have to have an option for a second year at a minimum. At the same time, Conforto would want an opt out, if his performance returns to its pre-covid years levels. So, I dunno how to solve this, maybe a mutual option? That said, resolve yourself. Conforto is unlikely to sign here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Why are you doing this to yourself? You're setting yourself up to be as embittered as others are at this org. Now, you asked a question, and I'll answer: Given the loss of a pick, I'd have to have an option for a second year at a minimum. At the same time, Conforto would want an opt out, if his performance returns to its pre-covid years levels. So, I dunno how to solve this, maybe a mutual option? That said, resolve yourself. Conforto is unlikely to sign here. Mutual options are worthless. You’re better off giving him a fancier hat. It would be more valuable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Why are you doing this to yourself? You're setting yourself up to be as embittered as others are at this org. Now, you asked a question, and I'll answer: Given the loss of a pick, I'd have to have an option for a second year at a minimum. At the same time, Conforto would want an opt out, if his performance returns to its pre-covid years levels. So, I dunno how to solve this, maybe a mutual option? That said, resolve yourself. Conforto is unlikely to sign here. Yeah, I do think you need two years of control unless he’s willing to take a smaller salary on a one year deal. As for the why, I simply can’t stop believing. It may not end up happening, but the logic makes too much sense and this offseason without additional moves is a total failure. I’ve been very critical of Hahn in the past, but I just can’t accept he’s this dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Mutual options are worthless. You’re better off giving him a fancier hat. It would be more valuable. Who cares? He's unlikely to sign here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Yeah, I do think you need two years of control unless he’s willing to take a smaller salary on a one year deal. As for the why, I simply can’t stop believing. It may not end up happening, but the logic makes too much sense and this offseason without additional moves is a total failure. I’ve been very critical of Hahn in the past, but I just can’t accept he’s this dumb. Fair enough. Don't stop believin'. But yes, this FO IS "that dumb." These are the geniuses that gave you the Jon Adkins, Billy Koch, Jeff Samardzija, James Shields, and Craig Kimbrel trades. These are the bozos who antagonized Giolito over a mere $50k. These are the guys who just "had to" assemble the most expensive bullpen in the history of the league, but couldn't see that Rodon was worth the QO. These are the guys that felt it to be "good business" to sign a geezing geezer at DH 2 seasons ago, at RF last season, and 2B THIS season, but can't connect the dots between age and performance decline. Go ahead and believe, if you so wish to do so. But don't be antagonized by ME and others telling you that this FO is "that dumb." Be antagonized by the FO that IS "that dumb." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Mutual options are worthless. You’re better off giving him a fancier hat. It would be more valuable. I like your hat idea. Maybe one of those bucket hats the golfers wear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, poppysox said: Just because Boras says a player he represents wants a certain number doesn't make the player worth that amount. There is nothing in Conforto's body of work that makes him a $100M player IMO. It looks like the other GMs agree with Hahn. It won't surprise me a bit if Conforto signs with us within the next few weeks for a more team-friendly deal. A GM puts his team in a better position to win if he doesn't put all his eggs in one player's basket. He was worth 11.2 fWAR in 2017/18/19. That’s $89.6 in FA terms…granted, paying for past production. However, the last two seasons pencil out to an average of 2.6 (adjusting for 2020’s brevity.) Basically, combined into one long year of 179 games. Which is worth $20.8. Add them together, you get $110.4 over four seasons. If you discount for the QO impact and falloff over the last two seasons, you’re still looking at $80-90 million over four years in this seller’s market. Or he simply does what Grandal and Moustakas did in taking 1 year deals and going back into a barren FA class in 2022-23 where he could increase his future contract by $50-75 million if he has another 3.5-4.0 fWAR season playing on a potent offensive team and appearing in the postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: He was worth 11.2 fWAR in 2017/18/19. That’s $89.6 in FA terms…granted, paying for past production. However, the last two seasons pencil out to an average of 2.6 (adjusting for 2020’s brevity.) Basically, combined into one long year of 179 games. Which is worth $20.8. Add them together, you get $110.4 over four seasons. If you discount for the QO impact and falloff over the last two seasons, you’re still looking at $80-90 million over four years in this seller’s market. Or he simply does what Grandal and Moustakas did in taking 1 year deals and going back into a barren FA class in 2022-23 where he could increase his future contract by $50-75 million if he has another 3.5-4.0 fWAR season playing on a potent offensive team and appearing in the postseason. When you need to use 2019 numbers to make the argument it tends to fall on deaf ears. I understand that Hayward was worth $20M per year 3 or 4 years back but his recent performance makes all that ancient history. I agree that the 1-year contract is the way for him to go and "if" he has another 3.5-4.0 fWAR he can regenerate his career. His failure to do that probably indicates that even he has some doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Fathom being awfully quiet this morning…? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Call me crazy but just feels like something is going to pop today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marqhead Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, poppysox said: I like your hat idea. Maybe one of those bucket hats the golfers wear. Buy a hat like that I bet ya get a free bowl of soup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Call me crazy but just feels like something is going to pop today. It won't happen unless they kill Southpaw. #DownWithSouthpaw #UnlessTheyGetOneForTheRotation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Call me crazy but just feels like something is going to pop today. You’re crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I was steadfastly against it but now I regret no Castellanos. It’s a bit of a downer that even best case scenario of acquisitions is a mopey baby like Conforto or roidymcroiderson like Montas instead of a cool dude like Castellanos. I miss Billy Hamilton already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Just now, bmags said: I was steadfastly against it but now I regret no Castellanos. It’s a bit of a downer that even best case scenario of acquisitions is a mopey baby like Conforto or roidymcroiderson like Montas instead of a cool dude like Castellanos. I miss Billy Hamilton already Obviously the comedy of this post is the idea that the Sox had serious deliberations of adding impact talent lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Call me crazy but just feels like something is going to pop today. Sure it seems odd Merkin retweeted that. James did also. With that said, I’m not getting my hopes up. I will say this....if it was any other team, I would be sure they were waiting to trade Kimbrel to sign Conforto. It’s like when the Cubs had to trade Castro to sign Zobrist. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, bmags said: I was steadfastly against it but now I regret no Castellanos. It’s a bit of a downer that even best case scenario of acquisitions is a mopey baby like Conforto or roidymcroiderson like Montas instead of a cool dude like Castellanos. You’ve seen the light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Alright, I’m all-in on Conforto once again after that Merkin tweet. Here is the plan Rick: Trade Kimbrel & $5M to the Phillies for Marchan & Y. Garcia Sign Conforto to a 4/$76M deal with opt-outs after years 2 & 3 Trade Burger, Dalquist, Adolfo, & Y. Garcia to the A’s for Manaea Stop fucking around and make this happen Rick! Time to win a god damn World Series! This is it in a nutshell. I wish I still had any hope however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 54 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Mutual options are worthless. You’re better off giving him a fancier hat. It would be more valuable. Maybe that’s been the problem all along. Wheeler would have actually signed had he been offered a propeller hat player option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Fair enough. Don't stop believin'. But yes, this FO IS "that dumb." These are the geniuses that gave you the Jon Adkins, Billy Koch, Jeff Samardzija, James Shields, and Craig Kimbrel trades. These are the bozos who antagonized Giolito over a mere $50k. Don't stop believin' - isn't that what Tony Soprano was humming along to before... [crash zoom to black]. Dunn - don't forget Adam Dunn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: This is it in a nutshell. I wish I still had any hope however. At this point, it feels like the only chance is if there is a serious injury to an outfielder. Unfortunately, there is still time for Eloy to run into a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said: At this point, it feels like the only chance is if there is a serious injury to an outfielder. Unfortunately, there is still time for Eloy to run into a wall. Even then I have my doubts they spend on a real replacement. I fear it’s scrap heap from here on out unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I think the White Sox budget is $190M and until Kimbrel is moved they are stuck where they are at. To me it's that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Tnetennba said: Even then I have my doubts they spend on a real replacement. I fear it’s scrap heap from here on out unfortunately. Probably. And I feel like people are looking waaaaay into nothing about a Tweet lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Probably. And I feel like people are looking waaaaay into nothing about a Tweet lol Yeah. I’d love for it to be true but I won’t waste an ounce of energy hoping for it at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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