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Offseason Part 3 - Because Part 2 Was a Dud


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10 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

This is complete lunacy. 

Easily the most anticipated White Sox season since 2006.

?I’ll always support the team (players), not the owner/front office. And of course nothing better than going to a game in the summer with the crew, but I don’t feel overly excited to get pummeled in the first round of the playoffs again. 
 

*Edit* I still think the TLR hire was a mockery. 

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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

This offseason has been a big kick to the dick, but it’s going to be a fun season as long as health permits and Tony doesn’t overmanage things.

The mind boggling offseason and the lack of TLR-proofing to the roster has dampened my enthusiasm a touch, but I'm sure once we have real games at the park and on TV every day my excitement levels will rise.  But I would be far more excited if they added a Conforto, a Robbie Ray, and added any quality 2B.  I'm not overly doom & gloom but I fear those errors will loom over the team all season long.

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2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I agree that we needed both a left-handed power bat and another SP.  Those are equally important from my perspective.  That being said, I could have lived with Vaughn in RF until the trade deadline if they added an impact player or left-handed bat at 2B (not ideal but tolerable).  Unfortunately they went dirt cheap at 2B with a redundant RH player instead, which leaves RF as the only spot to add much needed power / lineup balance.

And if I had to wager, there are several reasons why they feel compelled to go with internal options in RF & DH despite having a need for left handed hitting (a need that Hahn called out in his end of season presser).  First, I think they are scared to add a big multi-year deal to the offense when the payroll is already close to the CBT threshold and will require them to find spots to insert young players in the near future.  And given most of our near major league ready prospects are 1B/DH types (Vaughn, Sheets, Burger) or OFs (Cespedes, Colas),  they are probably even more hesitant to add a long-term commitment at RF or DH.  I also think they may be reacting to what they’ve seen out of Colas so far.  Keith Law just had a write-up on him and gave a pretty glowing endorsement.  It’s possible the Sox feel he will move fast and they don’t want to block him.

All that being said, I still don’t think any of that excuses Hahn from failing to to add any left-handed hitting or improving the offense in any meaningful way.  And it certainly doesn’t excuse Hahn from spending wildly on the bullpen and not adding a much needed starter.  I get you can’t completely ignore the future, but you also can’t completely take your foot off the gas pedal during your competitive window.  Hopefully Hahn can still find a way to add Manaea or a similar starter before opening day, because what’s transpired has been very disappointing.

Sure, but we were never in on Conforto well before they saw anything out of Colas stateside.

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1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Fuck Steve Stone…I love him as an announcer, but the dude is the absolute worst on Twitter.

It bleeds into his announcing too. I don't know why people like listening to him. If you listen to Jason with literally anyone else, it is a better broadcast.  Stone isn't the same guy as he used to be.

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2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It bleeds into his announcing too. I don't know why people like listening to him. If you listen to Jason with literally anyone else, it is a better broadcast.  Stone isn't the same guy as he used to be.

That’s totally true, but it bothers me less than on Twitter where is overly aggressive.

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1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

This offseason has been a big kick to the dick, but it’s going to be a fun season as long as health permits and Tony doesn’t overmanage things.

Interesting you say that about overmanaging.  When he was here the first time that was my biggest gripe with him.  So much so that I was glad to see him go.  My impression last year was that he curbed that trait quite a bit.

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35 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

Only five out of ten with Sox connections…impressive.   Goes back to the lack of minor league depth.

Look at the “reach” Burdi pick, focus on high OPS collegiate hitter, relievers.   Think back to Steele Walker and that previously long list of outfielders.  A generation earlier, Royce Ring and Poreda.

Rodon and Madrigal must not have been far off, too.

 

Hawkins and Anderson the only long-term development guys.

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Kansas City Royals first round draft pick Brandon Finnegan made his Major League debut on September 6, 2014, the first player to reach the majors from the 2014 draft class, with Carlos Rodon the second. Rodon first appeared for the Chicago White Sox on April 21, 2015. Finnegan became the first player to play in both the College World Series, for TCU, and the MLB World Series, for Kansas City, in the same year. Kyle Schwarber was the first position player to reach the majors from the 2014 draft class doing so June 16, 2015.



Madrigal also second, right before Alex Bohm.  Notice the trend?


On September 9, 2019, the Chicago Cubs promoted Nico Hoerner to the big leagues, making him the first player to reach the MLB in this (2018) draft.[5][6]

On July 31, 2020, Nick Madrigal was promoted to the MLB. He started at second base and batted ninth against the Kansas City Royals. He went 0-for-3.[17]

Because the COVID-19 pandemic led to the cancellation of the 2020 Minor League Baseball season, the Phillies were allowed to maintain a "pool" of up to 60 players, including prospects like Bohm and Spencer Howard. While the 30 players on the opening day roster would begin the season in Philadelphia, the rest would practice at an alternate training site in Allentown, Pennsylvania.[33]Manager Joe Girardi told reporters early in the season that Bohm would remain at the training site until he was in a position to play "almost every day".[34] Bohm received that opportunity on August 13, when he was called up to fill an injured Adam Haseley's spot in the lineup.

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3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Nowhere to play him.

Unless literally 1 injury happens, particularly to Moncada, and then he might be an every day guy. If the roster remains as is, Burger will play a ton in the majors this season. People continue to discount the value of depth.

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18 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

Unless literally 1 injury happens, particularly to Moncada, and then he might be an every day guy. If the roster remains as is, Burger will play a ton in the majors this season. People continue to discount the value of depth.

What’s more important though?  3B depth or SP depth?  

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4 minutes ago, fathom said:

We’re going to keep hearing the Kimbrel for Bellinger rumor, as Bellinger looks awful.  Ten straight strike outs for him. I think I would be cool with the trade, but it’s a bit risky.

I still can't see the Dodgers going for it, but I'd definitely make that trade. Bellinger's upside remains so much higher than any individual reliever.

I think the Dodgers are by far the most logical destination for Kimbrel if they actually want him. They could make 1,000 different types of offers for him that I think would make sense for the Sox. Bellinger, upper minors pitchers like Andre Jackson or Mitch White, lower level prospects, a depth position guy like McKinstry, etc.

They also have a relatively weak bullpen for a team with an unlimited budget that has the best team in baseball on paper.

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