Tnetennba Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, fathom said: We’re going to keep hearing the Kimbrel for Bellinger rumor, as Bellinger looks awful. Ten straight strike outs for him. I think I would be cool with the trade, but it’s a bit risky. I’d do that without question. I just want Kimbrel gone for anything halfway useful. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Tnetennba said: I’d do that without question. I just want Kimbrel gone for anything halfway useful. If Bellinger sucks again they can just non-tender him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 I'd think if the Dodgers were going to trade Bellinger, we'd have heard something about it and they would have added another OF by now. If he's traded for Kimbrel, that pushes Taylor into CF, Lux to 2b, but they don't have any other OF depth in their organization, really. I just can't see the Dodgers trading Bellinger, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just now, maxjusttyped said: I'd think if the Dodgers were going to trade Bellinger, we'd have heard something about it and they would have added another OF by now. If he's traded for Kimbrel, that pushes Taylor into CF, Lux to 2b, but they don't have any other OF depth in their organization, really. I just can't see the Dodgers trading Bellinger, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Pillar was signed and there’s a guy named Conforto lurking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) Betts, Pollock, Bellinger Lux as Super Utility guy, Edwin Rios as fifth starter. Beaty and Pillar as minor league depth. They also traded Luke Raley to the Rays. Kimbrel trade still doesn’t make sense unless they really believe in Lux over Pollock or Bellinger. Fwiw, Bellinger’s swing is completely out of synch right now, he’s dipping his shoulder…swing plane is erratic and his head’s moving down about 18 inches from the upright stance to where he ends up dipping into his swing. In theory, they could trade Pollock for Kimbrel, but they would still increase payroll another $15-20 million for Conforto on a one year pillow deal. Edited March 27, 2022 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Technically both are important but come on, the As aren’t giving up Manea for Burger and fries. Was Lynn for Dunning a fair trade ? Prior to that trade for the previous 2 seasons combined Lynn led the majors in starts and innings and was 2nd to DeGrom in WAR. He was a rental. Technically it was Dunning and Avery Weems for Lynn. Lynn final season had an $8M contract attached to it. Dunning was the 5th rated prospect in a strong system. What's the best thing we can say about Manaea ? He's a good reliable starter . Is anyone in Oakland panicking because he's given up 6 runs in 6 innings this spring ? Oakland obviously wants as much as they can get for him and taking their sweet time. Maybe they want pitching back in which case Vera might be their most valuable prospect and he hasn't pitched any official innings for the organization yet has he ? Burger will be 26 very soon but he's ready to step into a starting 3B role with a team that just dumped their starting 3rd baseman. Manaea is a rental. Burger is ranked 6th in a weak system but he hits the ball hard and far. Throw some names out there . Montgomery, Rodriguez, Kath, Cespedes ? Are 2 top 10 prospects in the Sox system worth it ? Maybe throw Adolfo in with Burger. He's technically the Sox 10th rated prospect but won't be for much longer since he's likely to be done soon. Right now they are the 2 best power hitters on the Sox farm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 7 hours ago, fathom said: We’re going to keep hearing the Kimbrel for Bellinger rumor, as Bellinger looks awful. Ten straight strike outs for him. I think I would be cool with the trade, but it’s a bit risky. Kimbrel is an anchor around everything White Sox right now. I don't pretend to know what's happened to Bellinger. His 1st 3 years, the NL couldn't find a way to pitch him. He's still 26 yrs old , a former MVP, Gold Glove type OF and 1st baseman with a ton of power and Oh yeah he's left handed and has 2 years left. Sox would probably have to throw more into the deal and even if the Dodgers offered Bellinger , I'm not even sure the Sox would take him because of his salary. We have no idea how the Sox are planning their budget for the rest of the season and next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Technically both are important but come on, the As aren’t giving up Manea for Burger and fries. You’re suggesting that Burger isn’t a good enough centerpiece for one year of Manaea? There would certainly be other pieces also involved, but I think you are underselling Jake a bit here. Dude skipped A+ & AA and was able to put up a 122 wRC+ in AAA. Zips projects him to be a an above league average bat / 2.1 win player next year. Yes, he may not fit the A’s ideal competitive window, but if he’s as good Zips thinks he’ll be then they’d be crushing us in that trade with just him alone and could always flip him at a later date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 7 hours ago, fathom said: We’re going to keep hearing the Kimbrel for Bellinger rumor, as Bellinger looks awful. Ten straight strike outs for him. I think I would be cool with the trade, but it’s a bit risky. Very interesting read on Bellinger’s struggles and whether he might return to form. https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/02/16/yelich-bellinger-what-went-wrong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) How would people feel about this trade? CWS get Cody Bellinger & Andre Jackson LAD get Craig Kimbrel & Adam Engel The Dodgers get a closer and an OF with the same amount of team control as Bellinger and who can play a quality CF. The Sox get a left-handed power bat with massive upside, but don’t need to commit to a long-term deal. They also got an athletic semi major league ready arm with options who provides some protection for both the rotation & bullpen. Total cash is relatively even, with the Dodgers taking on $1M in payroll. Edited March 27, 2022 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 42 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Was Lynn for Dunning a fair trade ? Prior to that trade for the previous 2 seasons combined Lynn led the majors in starts and innings and was 2nd to DeGrom in WAR. He was a rental. Technically it was Dunning and Avery Weems for Lynn. Lynn final season had an $8M contract attached to it. Dunning was the 5th rated prospect in a strong system. What's the best thing we can say about Manaea ? He's a good reliable starter . Is anyone in Oakland panicking because he's given up 6 runs in 6 innings this spring ? Oakland obviously wants as much as they can get for him and taking their sweet time. Maybe they want pitching back in which case Vera might be their most valuable prospect and he hasn't pitched any official innings for the organization yet has he ? Burger will be 26 very soon but he's ready to step into a starting 3B role with a team that just dumped their starting 3rd baseman. Manaea is a rental. Burger is ranked 6th in a weak system but he hits the ball hard and far. Throw some names out there . Montgomery, Rodriguez, Kath, Cespedes ? Are 2 top 10 prospects in the Sox system worth it ? Maybe throw Adolfo in with Burger. He's technically the Sox 10th rated prospect but won't be for much longer since he's likely to be done soon. Right now they are the 2 best power hitters on the Sox farm. This all sounds vaguely familiar… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: How would people feel about this trade? CWS get Cody Bellinger & Andre Jackson LAD get Craig Kimbrel & Adam Engel The Dodgers get a closer and an OF with the same amount of team control as Bellinger and who can play a quality CF. The Sox get a left-handed power bat with massive upside, but don’t need to commit to a long-term deal. They also got an athletic semi major league ready arm with options who provides some protection for both the rotation & bullpen. Total cash is relatively even, with the Dodgers taking on $1M in payroll. The Dodgers are unlikely to be pushed by the Padres and then Giants like they were last season. Pollock never stays healthy, and they can easily afford to wait 2-3 months on Bellinger to figure things out. From their current point of view, there’s no rush to add Kimbrel when they can just wait the Sox out. Hahn would be wise not to allow the season to start in two weeks with Kimbrel still on the roster. If he goes out on the mound in the next day or so and gets knocked around again at only 93-94 mph, what then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The Dodgers are unlikely to be pushed by the Padres and then Giants like they were last season. Pollock never stays healthy, and they can easily afford to wait 2-3 months on Bellinger to figure things out. From their current point of view, there’s no rush to add Kimbrel when they can just wait the Sox out. Hahn would be wise not to allow the season to start in two weeks with Kimbrel still on the roster. If he goes out on the mound in the next day or so and gets knocked around again at only 93-94 mph, what then? The Dodgers aren’t making this trade if they think Bellinger will return to MVP form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: How would people feel about this trade? CWS get Cody Bellinger & Andre Jackson LAD get Craig Kimbrel & Adam Engel The Dodgers get a closer and an OF with the same amount of team control as Bellinger and who can play a quality CF. The Sox get a left-handed power bat with massive upside, but don’t need to commit to a long-term deal. They also got an athletic semi major league ready arm with options who provides some protection for both the rotation & bullpen. Total cash is relatively even, with the Dodgers taking on $1M in payroll. I'm an Engel fan but if that's what it takes to get out from under the Kimbrel deal...I'm in. The money that is tied up in Kimbrel has impeded the other needed acquisitions IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: How would people feel about this trade? CWS get Cody Bellinger & Andre Jackson LAD get Craig Kimbrel & Adam Engel The Dodgers get a closer and an OF with the same amount of team control as Bellinger and who can play a quality CF. The Sox get a left-handed power bat with massive upside, but don’t need to commit to a long-term deal. They also got an athletic semi major league ready arm with options who provides some protection for both the rotation & bullpen. Total cash is relatively even, with the Dodgers taking on $1M in payroll. Anything that gets the Sox Bellinger for Kimbrel I'm down. I just think the Dodgers are too smart to trade Bellinger at a low value. They could just start telling GM's that they want to trade him and look for much better offers than a high priced down side closer and a often injured guy who plays a great OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Why would anyone expect Kimbrel to be in mid season form his first outing of spring training. I get that he has to go, but sucking during spring training isn’t anything new to him. Hendriks threw 94 his first outing. Every year spring training is taken way more seriously than it should. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 IMO, if the Dodgers are ready to dump Bellinger, the odds of the Sox fixing him are long. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Why would anyone expect Kimbrel to be in mid season form his first outing of spring training. I get that he has to go, but sucking during spring training isn’t anything new to him. Hendriks threw 94 his first outing. Every year spring training is taken way more seriously than it should. 100% agree. Guys aren’t at100% velocity right out of the gate, especially veterans with completely job security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: IMO, if the Dodgers are ready to dump Bellinger, the odds of the Sox fixing him are long. I said the same thing before. But honestly, I still think it’s a gamble worth taking if that’s the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: 100% agree. Guys aren’t at100% velocity right out of the gate, especially veterans with completely job security. All that said, if he really wanted off the White Sox and to close for another team...he might want to pitch that way. And if he has two more outings in a row like his first one, the whispers will grow a bit louder, at least in the media. Bellinger still holds a heckuva lot more upside. And he's quite obviously searching for his swing and tinkering on a daily basis to get right. And the White Sox have never been known for fixing hitters in season...not in the last 15 years at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: All that said, if he really wanted off the White Sox and to close for another team...he might want to pitch that way. And if he has two more outings in a row like his first one, the whispers will grow a bit louder, at least in the media. Bellinger still holds a heckuva lot more upside. And he's quite obviously searching for his swing and tinkering on a daily basis to get right. And the White Sox have never been known for fixing hitters in season...not in the last 15 years at least. Bellinger has far more upside, but Kimbrel also just put up three more fWAR last year than Cody. Kimbrel throwing 93 MPH in his first spring outing doesn’t really matter. Meanwhile, Bellinger looks completely lost at the plate, which is concerning given the year he just had. Do I think the Dodgers would make this trade? Probably not, but it all comes down to their go-forward evaluation of Bellinger. And obviously I wouldn’t bank on the Sox being able to fix someone the Dodgers couldn’t, but sometimes guys need a change of scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: All that said, if he really wanted off the White Sox and to close for another team...he might want to pitch that way. And if he has two more outings in a row like his first one, the whispers will grow a bit louder, at least in the media. Bellinger still holds a heckuva lot more upside. And he's quite obviously searching for his swing and tinkering on a daily basis to get right. And the White Sox have never been known for fixing hitters in season...not in the last 15 years at least. If the Sox have any moves left in them, it's going to be dumping Kimbrel's salary in a trade because they could still use the money for Manaea's $9.75M arb. salary . This is the round peg in the round hole move. Oakland just has to cooperate and it appears the Twins are the main competition so the Sox might have to pay Oakland's price. While most here expect the playoffs again, there are easy to see scenario's in which the Sox older pitchers regress in both the rotation and the pen and the younger pitchers don't show as much as hoped along with injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quin Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: IMO, if the Dodgers are ready to dump Bellinger, the odds of the Sox fixing him are long. We have a celebrated history of left handed NL sluggers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: How would people feel about this trade? CWS get Cody Bellinger & Andre Jackson LAD get Craig Kimbrel & Adam Engel The Dodgers get a closer and an OF with the same amount of team control as Bellinger and who can play a quality CF. The Sox get a left-handed power bat with massive upside, but don’t need to commit to a long-term deal. They also got an athletic semi major league ready arm with options who provides some protection for both the rotation & bullpen. Total cash is relatively even, with the Dodgers taking on $1M in payroll. I say yes before LA can think twice. Edited March 27, 2022 by Tnetennba 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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