wegner Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: In theory, this should help the White Sox attain the #1 seed which would be significant. Also, I'm not sure Houston is definitely a tier above. Carlos Correa is a huge loss and McCullers is hurt. Hopefully they prioritize home field advantage more than they did last year imo. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: In theory, this should help the White Sox attain the #1 seed which would be significant. Also, I'm not sure Houston is definitely a tier above. Carlos Correa is a huge loss and McCullers is hurt. OK, let's examine this idea fairly: Houston lost 5.8 fWAR from their 2021 team when Carlos Correa walked out the door. They're replacing him with Jeremy Pena, whose ZIPs projection has him at 2.2 fWAR for 2022. They also have a competent FO and manager running things. By contrast, the White Sox let 4.9 fWAR walk free when they stupidly failed to give the QO to Carlos Rodon. They replaced him with Vince Velasquez, who will likely provide NEGATIVE fWAR before being DFA'ed. They also have an old drunk managing the team, a bench coach and pitching coach who apparently won't disagree with him, and one of the more incompetent FOs in the game. So, I'm gonna go ahead and say that the trashtros are still better overall than the White Sox. The trashtros might have taken a step back talent-wise from 2021. But the White Sox took a LARGER step backwards, talent-wise. The White Sox are also lead by an incompetent FO and manager, while the trashtros have some competence to their FO and manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: OK, let's examine this idea fairly: Houston lost 5.8 fWAR from their 2021 team when Carlos Correa walked out the door. They're replacing him with Jeremy Pena, whose ZIPs projection has him at 2.2 fWAR for 2022. They also have a competent FO and manager running things. By contrast, the White Sox let 4.9 fWAR walk free when they stupidly failed to give the QO to Carlos Rodon. They replaced him with Vince Velasquez, who will likely provide NEGATIVE fWAR before being DFA'ed. They also have an old drunk managing the team, a bench coach and pitching coach who apparently won't disagree with him, and one of the more incompetent FOs in the game. So, I'm gonna go ahead and say that the trashtros are still better overall than the White Sox. The trashtros might have taken a step back talent-wise from 2021. But the White Sox took a LARGER step backwards, talent-wise. The White Sox are also lead by an incompetent FO and manager, while the trashtros have some competence to their FO and manager. In Dusty we trusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: OK, let's examine this idea fairly: Houston lost 5.8 fWAR from their 2021 team when Carlos Correa walked out the door. They're replacing him with Jeremy Pena, whose ZIPs projection has him at 2.2 fWAR for 2022. They also have a competent FO and manager running things. By contrast, the White Sox let 4.9 fWAR walk free when they stupidly failed to give the QO to Carlos Rodon. They replaced him with Vince Velasquez, who will likely provide NEGATIVE fWAR before being DFA'ed. They also have an old drunk managing the team, a bench coach and pitching coach who apparently won't disagree with him, and one of the more incompetent FOs in the game. So, I'm gonna go ahead and say that the trashtros are still better overall than the White Sox. The trashtros might have taken a step back talent-wise from 2021. But the White Sox took a LARGER step backwards, talent-wise. The White Sox are also lead by an incompetent FO and manager, while the trashtros have some competence to their FO and manager. Are you assuming that Jimenez, Robert and Grandal miss large portions of the season again? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: OK, let's examine this idea fairly: Houston lost 5.8 fWAR from their 2021 team when Carlos Correa walked out the door. They're replacing him with Jeremy Pena, whose ZIPs projection has him at 2.2 fWAR for 2022. They also have a competent FO and manager running things. By contrast, the White Sox let 4.9 fWAR walk free when they stupidly failed to give the QO to Carlos Rodon. They replaced him with Vince Velasquez, who will likely provide NEGATIVE fWAR before being DFA'ed. They also have an old drunk managing the team, a bench coach and pitching coach who apparently won't disagree with him, and one of the more incompetent FOs in the game. So, I'm gonna go ahead and say that the trashtros are still better overall than the White Sox. The trashtros might have taken a step back talent-wise from 2021. But the White Sox took a LARGER step backwards, talent-wise. The White Sox are also lead by an incompetent FO and manager, while the trashtros have some competence to their FO and manager. They’re replacing Rodon with Kopech who is projected for 2.7 wins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 28 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Are you assuming that Jimenez, Robert and Grandal miss large portions of the season again? Are you assuming the white Sox will be top 6 in fewest days used for the IL again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Are you assuming the white Sox will be top 6 in fewest days used for the IL again? No but when I do projections I'm not going to factor in possible injuries. On paper, I'm not sure anyone is better than them in the AL regardless of how bad I think they handled this offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SCCWS Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, chw42 said: FWIW--Meadows is considered a below average RF. His best outfield position is LF where he is average. Robert will want a raise......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, SCCWS said: FWIW--Meadows is considered a below average RF. His best outfield position is LF where he is average. Robert will want a raise......... Certainly an upgrade on Vaughn/Sheets. Probably not much worse than Leury. I hate that it took AV getting hurt, but I don’t see how Sox can’t possibly not make a move at this point. They’re getting close to not being able to field an OF. Is Engel even going to be ready? Sheets has yet to play the field this ST! What happens when Eloy runs in the wall now? It’s basically required at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: Certainly an upgrade on Vaughn/Sheets. Probably not much worse than Leury. I hate that it took AV getting hurt, but I don’t see how Sox can’t possibly not make a move at this point. They’re getting close to not being able to field an OF. Is Engel even going to be ready? Sheets has yet to play the field this ST! What happens when Eloy runs in the wall now? It’s basically required at this point. Depends on how serious Vaughn’s injury is, but they should have acquired a legit RF before this happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Depends on how serious Vaughn’s injury is, but they should have acquired a legit RF before this happened. Like I said in another thread, I’m just hoping we hear weeks not months. Anytime a cart is involved I’m assuming it’s not a day to day thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just now, ChiSox59 said: Like I said in another thread, I’m just hoping we hear weeks not months. Anytime a cart is involved I’m assuming it’s not a day to day thing. One thing to keep in mind with the cart is the locker room is behind RF fence, so there was no reason for him to walk to the dugout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, fathom said: One thing to keep in mind with the cart is the locker room is behind RF fence, so there was no reason for him to walk to the dugout. Yeah. I mean I figured it’s possible it’s just a ST precaution. Definitely possible. Hope Vaughn is ok. But this is what happens…..I don’t mind playing Vaughn in RF some and it’s just a bad break if he’s actually legit injured. But fuckina Sox. How was this going to be sustainable for 162?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Like I said in another thread, I’m just hoping we hear weeks not months. Anytime a cart is involved I’m assuming it’s not a day to day thing. He got up without any problems though and was able to stand on his own. Just seemed like he had discomfort when he moved / rotated his hip. I’m hoping for the best here, but another would be smart either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Certainly an upgrade on Vaughn/Sheets. Probably not much worse than Leury. I hate that it took AV getting hurt, but I don’t see how Sox can’t possibly not make a move at this point. They’re getting close to not being able to field an OF. Is Engel even going to be ready? Sheets has yet to play the field this ST! What happens when Eloy runs in the wall now? It’s basically required at this point. Dwight Smith, Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Is Goodwin available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Dwight Smith, Jr. He's one of the few options that would be a defensive downgrade from Vaughn in RF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 50 minutes ago, SCCWS said: FWIW--Meadows is considered a below average RF. His best outfield position is LF where he is average. Robert will want a raise......... He's at least a real OFer rather than trotting out a 1B in the OF. Obviously we don't care about defense anyway so might as well add a good LH bat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jose Abreu Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just now, Tnetennba said: The option years were 2/18, so I guess one way to look at it is a 3/58 extension on top of guaranteeing those years. But man, that's still cheap for his production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just now, Tnetennba said: A part of Jack Parkman just died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ShoeLessRob Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Can he play RF? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: Is Goodwin available? I think so actually lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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