Tnetennba Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: I disagree. The difference between Graveman/Kelly and who would take their innings is greater than the difference between Conforto and Sheets/Engel. There’s Conforto’s average D and then there’s Daniel Palka level Gavin Sheets. Sheets was abysmal in the field and Engel simply can’t be counted on to play regularly. I get that some don’t like Conforto but these comparisons strain credulity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: That’s why you trade Kimbrel and reallocate the funds. Seems pretty obvious you’re not a Conforto guy. That’s cool. Hope you’ll be disappointed at the Sox improving vastly in the next week or so! Still not enough. We will have to pay a good portion of it and if we sign Conforto we will def be over $200M. JR wants to be under that be a decent amount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said: Kelly is not even healthy to start the year soooo not even sure you can say that. He will be. That is just a time injury. Unless there is an underlying instability but I would hope they checked that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, ptatc said: It's not the single year salary. It's how many years after that they need to commit to him. If they're willing to give 3 year deals to relievers (Hendriks & Graveman) not being willing to go 4 or even 5 years with a position player like Conforto makes 0 sense at all. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: It's not the single year salary. It's how many years after that they need to commit to him. Hence saying year 1 salary. Kimbrel won’t be here beyond this year and other dollars come off the books. There are ways to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: It's not the single year salary. It's how many years after that they need to commit to him. They do a good job of wasting the salary it would take to bring him in every year anyway. Edited March 19, 2022 by Bob Sacamano 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said: If they're willing to give 3 year deals to relievers (Hendriks & Graveman) not being willing to go 4 or even 5 years with a position player like Conforto makes 0 sense at all. 5 year deals are iffy for any player. You know they will declining towards the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, Bob Sacamano said: They do a good job of wasting the salary it would to bring him in every year anyway. Depends on your priorities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, ptatc said: Depends on your priorities. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Tnetennba said: Hence saying year 1 salary. Kimbrel won’t be here beyond this year and other dollars come off the books. There are ways to make it work. Of course there are ways to make it work. But is it worth committing it for when you know they will be declining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tnetennba Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, ptatc said: Of course there are ways to make it work. But is it worth committing it for when you know they will be declining. He’s 29 not 32. If you’re worried about a free agent declining at the back end when most guys don’t hit FA until 28-30, then you’ll never sign a FA long term. Some risks are worth taking when there is no one in the system close that can adequately fill the gaping RF hole. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: Still not enough. We will have to pay a good portion of it and if we sign Conforto we will def be over $200M. JR wants to be under that be a decent amount I guess we’ll see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: They do a good job of wasting the salary it would take to bring him in every year anyway. They waste enough year in and year out on the periphery that it would be easy to find that cash if they wanted to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 No writer has suggested Conforto is going to Chicago. He is beyond the Sox budget yet has inspired a petabyte of postage here. Who started all of this, Putin? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: He’s 29 not 32. If you’re worried about a free agent declining at the back end when most guys don’t hit FA until 28-30, then you’ll never sign a FA long term. Some risks are worth taking when there is no one in the system close that can adequately fill the gaping RF hole. Shit, they were afraid to guarantee dollars to a guy who was 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: He’s 29 not 32. If you’re worried about a free agent declining at the back end when most guys don’t hit FA until 28-30, then you’ll never sign a FA long term. Some risks are worth taking when there is no one in the system close that can adequately fill the gaping RF hole. Agreed. Which is why I wouldn't sign many FA to long term deals unless 1. They come from your team where you know everything about them 2. They are very special player. I know many disagree but it usually just isn't worth the risk especially when we know there will be a budget limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, Bob Sacamano said: Shit, they were afraid to guarantee dollars to a guy who was 26. As badly as they misplayed that one, we are talking 4 years here and not 8 to 10. And they don’t even want to go 4 with an out after 2. Does not compute to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, pcq said: No writer has suggested Conforto is going to Chicago. He is beyond the Sox budget yet has inspired a petabyte of postage here. Who started all of this, Putin? I'm anxiously awaiting the meltdown here the minute he signs elsewhere. (Insert Michael Jackson Popcorn ?. gif) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Shit, they were afraid to guarantee dollars to a guy who was 26. Machado and Harper are slightly different situations than Conforto...still, if last year was the closest they I'll come to all in, not sure Sox fans will ever put faith in a rebuild without new ownership and front office execs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, HOFHurt35 said: I'm anxiously awaiting the meltdown here the minute he signs elsewhere. (Insert Michael Jackson Popcorn ?. gif) Yep. Entertainment at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, HOFHurt35 said: I'm anxiously awaiting the meltdown here the minute he signs elsewhere. (Insert Michael Jackson Popcorn ?. gif) Seems everyone is already reconciled to that...unless he goes to a divisional rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, ptatc said: Agreed. Which is why I wouldn't sign many FA to long term deals unless 1. They come from your team where you know everything about them 2. They are very special player. I know many disagree but it usually just isn't worth the risk especially when we know there will be a budget limit. I can’t argue with your points, they are sound and logical. But if this team wants to win in this big spending large market world they have to sign quality free agents at some point. The internal options available don’t put this team in a better spot to win, and wasting money around the edge on stop gaps won’t either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, ptatc said: Yep. Entertainment at its best. Everyone "fake turning in" their imaginary fan card, yet come April they will all be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: I'm anxiously awaiting the meltdown here the minute he signs elsewhere. (Insert Michael Jackson Popcorn ?. gif) I'll only be mad if he signs a one year deal or a deal that we definitely should have matched (anything under $80 million). I've basically accepted that we won't sign a RFer unless it's some sort of opportunity that's too good to pass up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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