oldsox Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Texsox said: I like Boras. Owners make too much money. Players are receiving too little of the revenue. There just aren't enough agents like Boras. Right out of the Manifesto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, oldsox said: Right out of the Manifesto. The players developed skills that can be exploited by the capitalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Texsox said: I like Boras. Owners make too much money. Players are receiving too little of the revenue. There just aren't enough agents like Boras. I believe you have achieved another sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, poppysox said: I believe you have achieved another sarcasm. I've always been a Boras fan. For months people talked about how important competition is, Boras players don't accept less to help load a championship team. For months we heard how players were receiving too little of the revenue. His players generally receive better than market pieces. He totally supports his players. If I was a player, he'd be my guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, Texsox said: I've always been a Boras fan. For months people talked about how important competition is, Boras players don't accept less to help load a championship team. For months we heard how players were receiving too little of the revenue. His players generally receive better than market pieces. He totally supports his players. If I was a player, he'd be my guy. Obviously good at what he does...but not my cup of tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) So if rumors that Sox made an offer around 4/$76M were true, I am curious why the he doesn’t circle back with Sox and take that offer at this point. I don’t think he will get anything close to a 5/$100M deal anymore. Also there is no upside for him to sit till after the draft to take a 1 year deal and try again next season, as players who has taken this approach in the past usually struggle to get it going. The Sox offer seems to be the best one available. It’s also certainly plausible the Sox offer is no longer on the table, or that they never had serious intent of signing him. We can point to the signings Hahn has already made, but assuming Giolito settles for $7.5M arb, I think they could still give Conforto the rumored offer without moving Kimbrel and going over CBT. Edited March 26, 2022 by thxfrthmmrs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: So if rumors that Sox made an offer around 4/$76M were true, I am curious why the he doesn’t circle back with Sox and take that offer at this point. I don’t think he will get anything close to a 5/$100M deal anymore. Also there is no upside for him to sit till after the draft to take a 1 year deal and try again next season, as players who has taken this approach in the past usually struggle to get it going. The Sox offer seems to be the best one available. It’s also certainly plausible the Sox offer is no longer on the table, or that they never had serious intent of signing him. We can point to the signings Hahn has already made, but assuming Giolito settles for $7.5M arb, I think they could still give Conforto the rumored offer without moving Kimbrel and going over CBT. It's definitely no longer on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, chw42 said: It's definitely no longer on the table. I am trying to convince myself which is the more acceptable excuse, that they have the money to Kelly/Harrison/VV instead, they thought they could trade Kimbrel but turns out they couldn’t, or that they were never seriously pursuing a guy who now could be had for a very reasonable contract and addresses a major need for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatBallHitDeep_WAYBack Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 On 3/25/2022 at 11:27 AM, Bob Sacamano said: I still see Texas as biggest threat. “Threat” ? Come on man Conforto is Nick Swisher 2.0. Let him go there or anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 57 minutes ago, chw42 said: It's definitely no longer on the table. Sometimes Boras can overplay his hand. For the agent, it is no big deal but for the player...sometimes life-changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, thxfrthmmrs said: So if rumors that Sox made an offer around 4/$76M were true, I am curious why the he doesn’t circle back with Sox and take that offer at this point. I don’t think he will get anything close to a 5/$100M deal anymore. Also there is no upside for him to sit till after the draft to take a 1 year deal and try again next season, as players who has taken this approach in the past usually struggle to get it going. The Sox offer seems to be the best one available. It’s also certainly plausible the Sox offer is no longer on the table, or that they never had serious intent of signing him. We can point to the signings Hahn has already made, but assuming Giolito settles for $7.5M arb, I think they could still give Conforto the rumored offer without moving Kimbrel and going over CBT. Sometimes we act like $75M isn't a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, poppysox said: Sometimes we act like $75M isn't a lot of money. I am referring to the $75M they supposedly offered him earlier. So what’s your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Has Sheets played RF at all this spring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, poppysox said: Sometimes Boras can overplay his hand. For the agent, it is no big deal but for the player...sometimes life-changing. If you are a big dog he is an outstanding agent....if you are not, he is not imo. It looks like Conforto should have take the QO and prove it this season. Edited March 26, 2022 by wegner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: I am referring to the $75M they supposedly offered him earlier. So what’s your point? I know. The remark wasn't aimed at you. Just a reminder that the first offer might be the best offer. Sometimes everyone thinks there is even more right around the corner. Edited March 26, 2022 by poppysox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, wegner said: If you are a big dog he is an outstanding agent....if you are not, he is not imo. It looks like Conforto should have take the QO and prove it this season. He undoubtedly turned down the QO and the supposed WS offer on Boras's advice. Boras is good but people need to do what is best for themselves. I always admired Chris Sale for taking the early money and locking in the good life for his family. Remember..."Pigs get fat but hogs go to slaughter." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colome's Hat Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 The longer this plays out, I think he's going to sign a one year prove it deal with the White Sox. And I'm fine with that. He overrated his market completely and also likely got screwed by the lockout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said: The longer this plays out, I think he's going to sign a one year prove it deal with the White Sox. And I'm fine with that. He overrated his market completely and also likely got screwed by the lockout. No chance Sox sign him to a one year deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said: The longer this plays out, I think he's going to sign a one year prove it deal with the White Sox. And I'm fine with that. He overrated his market completely and also likely got screwed by the lockout. Would not surprise me in the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 49 minutes ago, Heads22 said: Has Sheets played RF at all this spring? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colome's Hat Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 On 3/25/2022 at 12:30 PM, chw42 said: Maybe it'll be different with hitters, but both Kimbrel and Keuchel struggled after they signed with teams in June to avoid the QO. If Conforto has to get a prove-it 1 year deal in mid July, it's probably not going to be good for his FA prospects in 2023. That makes me think he'll be looking for multiple years if he signs in July. Keuchel did ok, no? If I recall his ERA was below 4. Kimbrel definitely struggled though and was the poster child of the consequences of signing late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said: Keuchel did ok, no? If I recall his ERA was below 4. Kimbrel definitely struggled though and was the poster child of the consequences of signing late. Yeah his ERA was in the high 3s, but his peripherals were terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Both Kendrys Morales and Stephen Drew fared terribly after signing during the season. I don’t think it’s ideal for anyone, hitters or pitchers, to sign after season starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Heads22 said: Has Sheets played RF at all this spring? Leury is gonna get most of the RF starts, you know it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said: Leury is gonna get most of the RF starts, you know it Vaughn will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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