pcq Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Duh Sheets gets to play cuz we have no lefties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:46 PM, chw42 said: Burger's value isn't very high. Especially to a team like Oakland, since Burger is pretty much ML ready when they're years away from competing. Expand Pache and Langeliers are basically big league ready. I don't think their plan is to tank for 4 years or anything. I could definitely see one of Sheets or Burger ending up in Oakland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:45 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Where @Two-Gun Pete at??? Expand Meh. We'll see how his 34-going-on-35 year old body responds, and whether or not he can keep his BABIP > .320. If Pollock can do this, sure, I'll eat crow. As of this moment, I'd still rather have 27 year old Suzuki in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 so...everyone good with Pollock jacking one off Kimbrel in game 6 to win the WS? Calling it now.... 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:47 PM, maxjusttyped said: Pache and Langeliers are basically big league ready. I don't think their plan is to tank for 4 years or anything. I could definitely see one of Sheets or Burger ending up in Oakland. Expand Those 2 are also way higher profile prospects though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:18 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: His xwOBA would have ranked him 3rd on the team last year behind Yaz and Robert. The Sox were a pretty good offense last year. His production was expected to be very good. Expand We'll see if he can continue at this rate, at his age, and with his injury history. I'm relieved that the Kimbrelectomy procedure has occurred, but Pollock is just "meh" to me at this point. I still would rather have Suzuki in the team instead. I'll be glad to be wrong, if Pollock can continue to kick the Invincible Father Time's ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 4:44 PM, Balta1701 said: Content with him being gone, impressed how many people who thought he was worth Bellinger are suddenly totally ok with that return. It's pretty much taking on an OF who fits but who is somewhat overpaid. Expand You think Pollack is overpaid at $10M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) On 4/1/2022 at 4:44 PM, Balta1701 said: Content with him being gone, impressed how many people who thought he was worth Bellinger are suddenly totally ok with that return. It's pretty much taking on an OF who fits but who is somewhat overpaid. Expand Isn't Bellinger getting paid more, and very possibly, much, much worse? Edited April 1, 2022 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Posted this a few pages back, but there's plenty of playing time to go around: Edited it to account for CF too; and honestly, Leury shouldn't see a single game in the OF this year. With 5 positions, you have 810 games to go around. They could easily shake out as follows: Vaughn - 120 (Hoping for more but we'll see) Abreu - 145 Pollock - 120 Sheets - 80 Eloy - 135 Engel - 40 starts - he'll get into a lot more games as a defensive replacement too so he'll likely see about 80-90 games Yas - 25 games at DH Robert - 145 games If you want to give Sheets more games because he's hitting and Vaughns not for whatever reason, then swap. There. Are. Plenty. Of. At. Bats. And this is assuming zero injuries really @Jack Parkman You get an injury to anyone of those guys, and now you're looking at almost everyone pushing 130-140 games. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) On 4/1/2022 at 6:54 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Posted this a few pages back, but there's plenty of playing time to go around: Edited it to account for CF too; and honestly, Leury shouldn't see a single game in the OF this year. With 5 positions, you have 810 games to go around. They could easily shake out as follows: Vaughn - 120 (Hoping for more but we'll see) Abreu - 145 Pollock - 120 Sheets - 80 Eloy - 135 Engel - 40 starts - he'll get into a lot more games as a defensive replacement too so he'll likely see about 80-90 games Yas - 25 games at DH Robert - 145 games If you want to give Sheets more games because he's hitting and Vaughns not for whatever reason, then swap. There. Are. Plenty. Of. At. Bats. And this is assuming zero injuries really @Jack Parkman You get an injury to anyone of those guys, and now you're looking at almost everyone pushing 130-140 games. Expand I like you way more when you are happy and not bitching. good post and this breakdown looks correct. Plus...Leury can't play the outfield when he has to start at 2B for our shitty Harrison acquisition...right? ? Edited April 1, 2022 by EloyJenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) On 4/1/2022 at 6:51 PM, Two-Gun Pete said: We'll see if he can continue at this rate, at his age, and with his injury history. I'm relieved that the Kimbrelectomy procedure has occurred, but Pollock is just "meh" to me at this point. I still would rather have Suzuki in the team instead. I'll be glad to be wrong, if Pollock can continue to kick the Invincible Father Time's ass. Expand The risk with Pollock will always be injury related, and the nagging injuries can bring down his play. Sox should have enough flexibility and depth at this point to keep him fresh and put him in good positions to succeed. As I noted though, you're pointing to BABIP as an indicator of success, but his expected numbers were in fact very good - based on his batted ball profile. Pollock is a good player. He's aged really well so far too, and the speed has held up pretty well. Could he hit a wall? Sure. He's certainly worth the gamble though. Edited April 1, 2022 by Look at Ray Ray Run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 4:45 PM, chw42 said: Not sure how the math will work out, the signing bonus is given out every year, so we might have to pay it? Expand Signing bonus was paid up front and is simply allocated across all seasons for accounting purposes. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:56 PM, EloyJenkins said: I like you way more when you are happy and not bitching. good post and this breakdown looks pretty good. Plus...Leury can't play the outfield when he has to start at 2B for our shitty Harrison acquisition...right? ? Expand He's just a bad defensive outfielder; I'd argue terrible. The IF will need him to give blows to Tim and Yoan too - although Yoan is probably the most reliable guy not named Abreu on the roster, health-wise, which is ironic given how much flack he takes for his "injuries." The Sox still don't have a second baseman, but I can get over that with a lineup that's 8 deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) On 4/1/2022 at 6:54 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Posted this a few pages back, but there's plenty of playing time to go around: Edited it to account for CF too; and honestly, Leury shouldn't see a single game in the OF this year. With 5 positions, you have 810 games to go around. They could easily shake out as follows: Vaughn - 120 (Hoping for more but we'll see) Abreu - 145 Pollock - 120 Sheets - 80 Eloy - 135 Engel - 40 starts - he'll get into a lot more games as a defensive replacement too so he'll likely see about 80-90 games Yas - 25 games at DH Robert - 145 games If you want to give Sheets more games because he's hitting and Vaughns not for whatever reason, then swap. There. Are. Plenty. Of. At. Bats. And this is assuming zero injuries really @Jack Parkman You get an injury to anyone of those guys, and now you're looking at almost everyone pushing 130-140 games. Expand Sure, but is there enough room on the 26 man roster for all of them come May? Edited April 1, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 5:04 PM, Tony said: Talk about moving the goalposts! Holy Balta! Expand Plus - am I mistaken - because isn't it technically 1yr of 15M or 2yr of 20M (which if Pollock produces like he did last year - I don't see any reason you would make it a 1yr deal. And Pederson not on any level as good as Pollock (other than he hits left handed). ' Edit: My fault since it is a player option (vs. team). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:54 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Posted this a few pages back, but there's plenty of playing time to go around: Edited it to account for CF too; and honestly, Leury shouldn't see a single game in the OF this year. With 5 positions, you have 810 games to go around. They could easily shake out as follows: Vaughn - 120 (Hoping for more but we'll see) Abreu - 145 Pollock - 120 Sheets - 80 Eloy - 135 Engel - 40 starts - he'll get into a lot more games as a defensive replacement too so he'll likely see about 80-90 games Yas - 25 games at DH Robert - 145 games If you want to give Sheets more games because he's hitting and Vaughns not for whatever reason, then swap. There. Are. Plenty. Of. At. Bats. And this is assuming zero injuries really @Jack Parkman You get an injury to anyone of those guys, and now you're looking at almost everyone pushing 130-140 games. Expand Good breakdown Ray. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:56 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The risk with Pollock will always be injury related, and the nagging injuries can bring down his play. Sox should have enough flexibility and depth at this point to keep him fresh and put him in good positions to succeed. As I noted though, you're point to BABIP as an indicator of success, but his expected numbers were in fact very good - based on his batted ball profile. Pollock is a good player. He's aged really well so far too, and the speed has held up pretty well. Could he hit a wall? Sure. He's certainly worth the gamble though. Expand Pollock's injuries the last 2 years have all been hamstring related. We've already got one guy in RF with hamstring problems, now we have 2. Hamstring issues were very prevalent in baseball last year though, so hopefully that was because of the 60 game season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoxBlanco Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 7:01 PM, chw42 said: Pollock's injuries the last 2 years have all been hamstring related. We've already got one guy in RF with hamstring problems, now we have 2. Hamstring issues were very prevalent in baseball last year though, so hopefully that was because of the 60 game season. Expand Did Pollock even get injured 2 years ago? I have no clue, but he played 55 games in the shortened season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:56 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The risk with Pollock will always be injury related, and the nagging injuries can bring down his play. Sox should have enough flexibility and depth at this point to keep him fresh and put him in good positions to succeed. As I noted though, you're point to BABIP as an indicator of success, but his expected numbers were in fact very good - based on his batted ball profile. Pollock is a good player. He's aged really well so far too, and the speed has held up pretty well. Could he hit a wall? Sure. He's certainly worth the gamble though. Expand Everyone is happy that Kimbrel is gone. And, sure, Pollock is "as good as it could get" for Kimbrel. But I think you'll agree that it could have been far better than this, and Pollock comes with significant downside risks. Father Time can come get him, or injuries, or as I'd mentioned, BABIP regression. And I'll agree that it was worth the gamble. But there really weren't a lot of options, were there? On 4/1/2022 at 6:54 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Edited it to account for CF too; and honestly, Leury shouldn't see a single game in the OF this year. With 5 positions, you have 810 games to go around. They could easily shake out as follows: Vaughn - 120 (Hoping for more but we'll see) Abreu - 145 Pollock - 120 Sheets - 80 Eloy - 135 Engel - 40 starts - he'll get into a lot more games as a defensive replacement too so he'll likely see about 80-90 games Yas - 25 games at DH Robert - 145 games Expand Pollock's only averaged 107 games/season over the past 5 seasons, excepting the shortened 2020 season. Eloy and Robert also have significant injury histories. But for the pending DFA of Grandpa Josh at 2B, I would expect Leury to start a few games in the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) On 4/1/2022 at 6:51 PM, Chicago White Sox said: You think Pollack is overpaid at $10M? Expand Just thinking the odds of Pollock and Harrison repeating 2021 at their age don't usually break in favor of the Sox. Then you have Abreu at 35 as well. This year has to be the year to break through. But for that money, just a 2ish fWAR out of the third OF position would be fine. Same with 2B. Just can't be a total black hole. Edited April 1, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:59 PM, Jack Parkman said: Sure, but is there enough room on the 26 man roster for all of them come May? Expand The Sox couldn't make it 2 weeks before multiple players got hurt, but everyone is going to be entirely healthy in May? That strikes me as unlikely, but it'd be a great "problem" to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:51 PM, Chicago White Sox said: You think Pollack is overpaid at $10M? Expand It’s $15 million guaranteed with a player option for the next $5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 5:06 PM, chw42 said: It was probably the best trade available out there. The question is would you rather have Pollock for 1 year or somebody like Rosario at 2/$18 million in free agency? Cause that's probably who we end up with if we don't pick up the Kimbrel option. Expand At this point I just wanted him gone and didn't expect much of a return. The OF options after Conforto all had their warts IMO, so a solid OF that hits RH pitching is a win for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 6:59 PM, Chisoxfn said: Plus - am I mistaken - because isn't it technically 1yr of 15M or 2yr of 20M (which if Pollock produces like he did last year - I don't see any reason you would make it a 1yr deal. And Pederson not on any level as good as Pollock (other than he hits left handed). Expand According to Spotrac, its a player option. So, if Pollock does reasonably well, why wouldn't he opt out after 2022? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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