Jack Parkman Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, ptatc said: Sure but what does that have to do with undervaluing Vaughn? I'm not undervaluing Vaughn. You're overvaluing him and undervaluing Keller Take off the silver and black goggles for a moment, will ya? Look at it from a neutral POV. Edited April 3, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Oy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Just now, ptatc said: Sure but what does that have to do with undervaluing Vaughn? Maybe the goal is to have no first round picks other than Anderson on the Sox active roster. Collins, Crochet, Rodon, Burdi, Madrigal, Fulmer, so AV's days are obviously numbered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 33 minutes ago, Unknown said: Wish our loser front office would be as aggressive as the Padres. At least they're trying to win a WS. Man, Friday feels like last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Just now, Jack Parkman said: I'm not undervaluing Vaughn. You're overvaluing him and undervaluing Keller I don't even know who Keller is. I have never once commented on him. And yes you have undervalued Vaughn since the drafted a RH first baseman that they could get anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Of all of the Soxtalk overreactions, the Vaughn vs LHP one is probably my least favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I'm not undervaluing Vaughn. You're overvaluing him and undervaluing Keller Take off the silver and black goggles for a moment, will ya? Look at it from a neutral POV. This......is not going well for you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 In my opinion, the Sox could have easily beaten this if they wanted to. And it’s very clear they’re aware that they need another starter. As such, perhaps there is a different starting pitcher they are close on? Obviously Montas is an option, but the Reds still have Castillo & Mahnle. The problem there is you’re probably talking Vaughn or bust, although the Reds didn’t exactly get a haul for two years of Gray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ptatc said: I don't even know who Keller is. I have never once commented on him. And yes you have undervalued Vaughn since the drafted a RH first baseman that they could get anywhere. I don't want them to trade him for just anyone. I recognize his value. I just think that the board overrates his value league wide. He's a RH hitting 1B. As good as his potential is, that's not exactly a valuable piece. Edited April 3, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Again, from the Pirates point of view Vaughn hit .235 with an OPS barely over .700 and a 68 wRC+ against RHP. Both guys kinda sucked as rookies Yeah, luckily most GMs don’t just leverage stat lines from a rookie season when evaluating young players and will consider scouting reports, prospect pedigree, development time, etc to develop their own go-forward projections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: And Josh Nelson was saying on Twitter Manaea would cost Colson Montgomery…lol No idea how we couldn’t find a package better than what the Padres gave up here. 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: In my opinion, the Sox could have easily beaten this if they wanted to. And it’s very clear they’re aware that they need another starter. As such, perhaps there is a different starting pitcher they are close on? Obviously Montas is an option, but the Reds still have Castillo & Mahnle. The problem there is you’re probably talking Vaughn or bust, although the Reds didn’t exactly get a haul for two years of Gray. The 19-year-old infielder that the A’s got would be a top 5 prospect in the Sox system. Sox equivalent is like Jose Rodriguez or Kath/Montgomery I’d think. Sox likely weren’t doing that for a 1 year guy. Teams just aren’t interested in Sheets and Burger it seems. Shocking I know. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Yeah, luckily most GMs don’t just leverage stat lines from a rookie season when evaluating young players and will consider scouting reports, prospect pedigree, development time, etc to develop their own go-forward projections. Mitch Keller and Andrew Vaughn were similarly rated prospects going into 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Again, from the Pirates point of view Vaughn hit .235 with an OPS barely over .700 and a 68 wRC+ against RHP. Both guys kinda sucked as rookies IDGAF about Vaughn’s stats from last year. He skipped AA and AAA and hadn’t played in a game for over a year, and is a year removed from being a consensus top 20 prospect in the game as a 1B, and certainly would have been much higher if he played OF in college. He has enormous offensive upside. And on top of all that has more control than Keller. you have a lot of really bad takes, but this is up there. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I'm not undervaluing Vaughn. You're overvaluing him and undervaluing Keller Take off the silver and black goggles for a moment, will ya? Look at it from a neutral POV. I think I am one of the few people on this board that looks at thing from a neutral point of view. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 I don't profess to be some talent evaluating savant, but the simple fact is that this team needs better starting pitching depth and there do not appear to be any remaining free agent candidates available, whom they could sign. Therefore, a trade is the only viable option that Hahn can pursue, if they are to maximize this window of contention. The best trade chip would likely have to be a young player, who is cheap, with several years of control, and who is not currently needed on this roster. Who fits that description? Is there anyone besides Vaughn, who fits that description and whom Hahn could offer, in order to acquire a #2, or #3 starter with at least 2 years of control? So, to reiterate; whom should Hahn be trying to acquire and what would it likely take to get him? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The 19-year-old infielder that the A’s got would be a top 5 prospect in the Sox system. Sox equivalent is like Jose Rodriguez or Kath/Montgomery I’d think. Sox likely weren’t doing that for a 1 year guy. Teams just aren’t interested in Sheets and Burger it seems. Shocking I know. It's mind boggling that the Sox system is such complete shit compared to the Padres. The Pads traded away so many prospects yet their low tier prospects are still comparable to the Sox top 5. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: IDGAF about Vaughn’s stats from last year. He skipped AA and AAA and hadn’t played in a game for over a year, and is a year removed from being a consensus top 20 prospect in the game as a 1B, and certainly would have been much higher if he played OF in college. He has enormous offensive upside. And on top of all that has more control than Keller. you have a lot of really bad takes, but this is up there. More overvaluing of Vaughn here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: More overvaluing of Vaughn here. Lol. Ok Jack. Vaughn for Keller is a comically bad proposal. Thank god you’re not running this org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, ron883 said: It's mind boggling that the Sox system is such complete shit compared to the Padres. The Pads traded away so many prospects yet their low tier prospects are still comparable to the Sox top 5. Sad. Truly investing resources into scouting and development matters. Signing teenagers instead of older Cubans every year matters as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, fathom said: I have a bad feeling the Sox trade Vaughn for Montas. No inside info, just a feeling. We would regret that for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 The Sox need to build up their farm system with high school prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: More overvaluing of Vaughn here. Despite my switch to Northside fandom, I'll be cashing in on that free beer offer at the GRate, Jack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Maybe the goal is to have no first round picks other than Anderson on the Sox active roster. Collins, Crochet, Rodon, Burdi, Madrigal, Fulmer, so AV's days are obviously numbered. That's also known as the Stan Bowman School of Asset Management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: More overvaluing of Vaughn here. Bookmark this comment and get back to me in a couple years, Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: More overvaluing of Vaughn here. What's more likely. Someone on this board being an optimist, or you being a pessimist? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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