Look at Ray Ray Run Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 10:50 PM, Jack Parkman said: As was said earlier, there is correlation between extreme performance in the spring and regular season performance. Moncada's spring has been extreme....and not in a good way. Expand correlation =/= causation. it could be some guys who perform really poorly in spring are hurt, but the guys that aren't hurt have no barring. jack, watching spring training and caring about results is just a terrible thing to do given how many years you've been following this closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 10:56 PM, caulfield12 said: I don't expect Moncada to win an MVP with how he's trending...it's simply that expectations were so high when he signed with Boston and rise to the #1 prospect in the sport. Devers was a bit under the radar, comparatively. That said, it took another #1 in Buxton years and years to get his swing and health to this point. Expand and Devers and Moncada value on a rate basis was nearly identical last year... On 4/4/2022 at 11:03 PM, Jack Parkman said: Including today 38 PA 4 H (all 1B) 1 BB 15 K This is more than just a bad spring. Expand lol know it's not. that's literally exactly what it is, "a bad spring." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:11 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: and Devers and Moncada value on a rate basis was nearly identical last year... lol know it's not. that's literally exactly what it is, "a bad spring." Expand Like I said, Jack is in mid-season form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 I still am dumbfounded how anyone who has followed baseball for more than a week draws any conclusions from spring training. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Kevin Newman hit 606 last spring with a 1429 OPS in 33 at bats. Kevin Newman had a .574 OPS in 517 at bats in the regular season for the Pirates last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:14 PM, GermanSoxFan said: I still am dumbfounded how anyone who has followed baseball for more than a week draws any conclusions from spring training. Expand Extreme outliers tend to stick. That's the point I'm making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:14 PM, GermanSoxFan said: I still am dumbfounded how anyone who has followed baseball for more than a week draws any conclusions from spring training. Expand You didn’t hear? We missed the Spring Training playoffs. We stink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:16 PM, Jack Parkman said: Extreme outliers tend to stick. That's the point I'm making. Expand Jack, at times you're the king of someone who completely misuses almost any statistic they find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 You are not making any point tho, it’s just the same tired sky is falling bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:15 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Kevin Newman hit 606 last spring with a 1429 OPS in 33 at bats. Kevin Newman had a .574 OPS in 517 at bats in the regular season for the Pirates last year. Expand On 4/4/2022 at 11:16 PM, Jack Parkman said: Extreme outliers tend to stick. That's the point I'm making. Expand Back to back even. Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) On 4/4/2022 at 11:03 PM, Jack Parkman said: Including today 38 PA 4 H (all 1B) 1 BB 15 K This is more than just a bad spring. Expand The only thing that means anything here is 38 PAs. It’s barely a bad weeks worth of at bats. Edited April 4, 2022 by mqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:08 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Moncada doesn’t care about spring training though and isn’t putting forth full effort Expand You can use the same excuse for Sousa and Henzman. No excuse for Moncada to look this bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:17 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Jack, at times you're the king of someone who completely misuses almost any statistic they find. Expand 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:19 PM, oldsox said: You can use the same excuse for Sousa and Henzman. No excuse for Moncada to look this bad. Expand no you can’t, they are fighting for a job, moncada obviously isn’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Like watching your kid shit his pants during the school play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Something called Xavier Fernandez just hit a bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:15 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Kevin Newman hit 606 last spring with a 1429 OPS in 33 at bats. Kevin Newman had a .574 OPS in 517 at bats in the regular season for the Pirates last year. Expand Member Joc Pederson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 And Mendick goes back to back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 10:52 PM, maxjusttyped said: I'm the one who said that, but I think his 3 year track record of being very good and still being in his prime carries a lot more weight than 30 ST PA's or whatever. Expand He is very good, and still has that defense. I don’t ever see MVP for him as some might have hoped though. It goes to show ceilings are as much about if as they are about when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:19 PM, oldsox said: You can use the same excuse for Sousa and Henzman. No excuse for Moncada to look this bad. Expand Of course there is…these games don’t matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) On 4/4/2022 at 11:23 PM, SpringfieldFan said: He is very good, and still has that defense. I don’t ever see MVP for him as some might have hoped though. It goes to show ceilings are as much about if as they are about when. Expand I’d be pretty content if Moncada more or less stays at this level for the remainder of his time here (I of course mean 4-5 win player) Edited April 4, 2022 by mqr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:25 PM, mqr said: I’d be pretty content if Moncada more or less stays at this level for the remainder of his time here Expand If Moncada puts up 4-5 fWAR for the next 3 years nobody is complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:27 PM, Jack Parkman said: If Moncada puts up 4-5 fWAR for the next 3 years nobody is complaining. Expand I've heard a fair number of poeple complaining while he did that last year right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) On 4/4/2022 at 11:28 PM, Balta1701 said: I've heard a fair number of poeple complaining while he did that last year right? Expand lmao right that and people complaining about him being a pussy or whatever when he’s never played less than 80% of the teams games since coming up. I do not get it. Edited April 4, 2022 by mqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:28 PM, Balta1701 said: I've heard a fair number of poeple complaining while he did that last year right? Expand And I defended him. This is the thing: he was the centerpiece of the Sale trade and the #1 prospect in baseball at one time. People expected superstar and they got very good. When Superstar is the expectation, very good is disappointing to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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