Sox may have interest in Cueto

[wrathofhahn]

1 hour ago, VAfan said:

Not sure what's so bad about Cueto.  He was 7-7 last year for the Giants, with a 4.08 ERA and FIP over 114 innings.   

I mean it's a pitchers park his xFIP was 4.27 still not awful but not great either. He's also 36 he's lost a bunch off his fastball he actually had okay velo last year 91-92 but the question is for how much longer can he maintain that. I'd much rather do a trade for a fringe DFA guy who is younger and has control. Sort of like we did with McGuire. I like the moves we made so far in getting guys like McGuire and Haisley we need to find that sort of equivalent at SP

[chw42]

6 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said:

I mean it's a pitchers park his xFIP was 4.27 still not awful but not great either. He's also 36 he's lost a bunch off his fastball he actually had okay velo last year 91-92 but the question is for how much longer can he maintain that. I'd much rather do a trade for a fringe DFA guy who is younger and has control. Sort of like we did with McGuire. I like the moves we made so far in getting guys like McGuire and Haisley we need to find that sort of equivalent at SP

San Francisco is no longer a pitcher's park. It's much more neutral after they moved the fences in 2020. It was the most pitcher friendly park in 2019, but since 2020, it's been almost neutral. 

[Chick Mercedes]

53 minutes ago, gogosox1959 said:

Rodon was never going to sign for $18mm as he would have certainly rejected the QO.   He was gone.  He signed for $44mm over 2 years. 

well it’s not just money. Its going to cost prospects too, if the Sox really want to be serious about the season

[Polar Bear]

2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I wouldn't get carried away. Didn't you just list Kopech as the Sox #2 starter ? There's no way that happens with his innings limits and the Covid he had getting him off to a late start . He will be #5 pretty much all season.I'd even go so far as to say that he isn't even likely to go a full 5 innings until at least late April

I've stated numerous times that Kopech is easily our number 3 starter with Lynn and by the end of the season will be our number 1 or 2 starter.  So without Lynn I have him as our number 2 starter, now that doesn't mean he will be starting game 2 of the season or even going real deep early on the season.  It just means he will be our 2nd best starting pitcher.  

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

2 hours ago, VAfan said:

Not sure what's so bad about Cueto.  He was 7-7 last year for the Giants, with a 4.08 ERA and FIP over 114 innings.   

He's 36, and before last year he was looking at FIP's over 4.7 for three years in a row.

Big fan of Cueto's, and he'd just be a stop gap, but he's got an injury history now at his age and he's a big time fly ball pitcher who does not strike people out. Going from San Fran to Chicago as a big fly ball pitcher is no bueno. The best to one of the worst parks to give up fly balls in as a pitcher, and with all those balls in play, big chance chances for some fireworks.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

30 minutes ago, Polar Bear said:

I've stated numerous times that Kopech is easily our number 3 starter with Lynn and by the end of the season will be our number 1 or 2 starter.  So without Lynn I have him as our number 2 starter, now that doesn't mean he will be starting game 2 of the season or even going real deep early on the season.  It just means he will be our 2nd best starting pitcher.  

Let's just get through a season with around 130 IP, no injury, and consistency before we start annointing Kopech as better than someone who ranks as the 6th best starter in baseball, among those qualified, since 2019 in Giolito. 

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Let's just get through a season with around 130 IP, no injury, and consistency before we start annointing Kopech as better than someone who ranks as the 6th best starter in baseball, among those qualified, since 2019 in Giolito. 

So basically Carlos Rodon's last year?

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So basically Carlos Rodon's last year?

I think the Sox try to push Kopech closer to 150 innings, but it'll be interesting to monitor. 

That said, if he replaced Rodon's production I would be floored, and he still wouldn't be better than Gio in my opinion. 

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

2 hours ago, wrathofhahn said:

MLBTR listed the players out of options and some interesting guys on the list.

Sean Newcomb

Tyler Beede

Dillon Peters

Jeff Hoffman

It might be worth taking a shot on a guy who is about to be DFA'ed or could be had for cheap rather than dumpster diving the FA market. At least by doing a trade if it works out you have a player with a bit of control

Is Newcomb really in danger of getting cut? I've always liked him.

[CeaseAndExist]

2 hours ago, wrathofhahn said:

MLBTR listed the players out of options and some interesting guys on the list.

Sean Newcomb

Tyler Beede

Dillon Peters

Jeff Hoffman

It might be worth taking a shot on a guy who is about to be DFA'ed or could be had for cheap rather than dumpster diving the FA market. At least by doing a trade if it works out you have a player with a bit of control

Cueto is a hell of a lot better than all of those guys. Those 4 are just VV type of pitchers. Cueto at least was an effective SP last year

[iWiN4PreP]

Cueto SUCKS.

He is not help.

[ChiSox59]

4 hours ago, gogosox1959 said:

Rodon was never going to sign for $18mm as he would have certainly rejected the QO.   He was gone.  He signed for $44mm over 2 years. 

He would not have signed for 2/$44M with the QO attached. He may not have taken the QO, but I don’t think it’s a certainty. In any event, Sox know more about Rodon than anyone. It looks like a questionable move right now with Lynn hurt for sure, but Rodon will be hurt in no time. 

[Polar Bear]

4 hours ago, wrathofhahn said:

MLBTR listed the players out of options and some interesting guys on the list.

Sean Newcomb

Tyler Beede

Dillon Peters

Jeff Hoffman

It might be worth taking a shot on a guy who is about to be DFA'ed or could be had for cheap rather than dumpster diving the FA market. At least by doing a trade if it works out you have a player with a bit of control

Beede is the only one there worth it.  He has looked good with the added velocity 

[Polar Bear]

2 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Is Newcomb really in danger of getting cut? I've always liked him.

RP and they have added a lot to their pen so, maybe 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

25 minutes ago, Polar Bear said:

Beede is the only one there worth it.  He has looked good with the added velocity 

as the most irrational tyler beede fan alive - have owned him in my dynasty league for years, drafted him again this year in the last round of the rookie/non-kept draft - what? He's been horrendous this spring; I think the Giants might keep him because they're as irrational about him as me, but still... he hasn't looked good at all.

[Polar Bear]

3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

as the most irrational tyler beede fan alive - have owned him in my dynasty league for years, drafted him again this year in the last round of the rookie/non-kept draft - what? He's been horrendous this spring; I think the Giants might keep him because they're as irrational about him as me, but still... he hasn't looked good at all.

From before the added velocity to know with the added velocity he has improved.  I don't care really what guys stats show in ST 

[kitekrazy]

6 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

Ervin Santana must have said no.

So did Johann.

 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 minute ago, Polar Bear said:

From before the added velocity to know with the added velocity he has improved.  I don't care really what guys stats show in ST 

You don't care that he doesn't get anyone out? he had an ERA near 7 at AAA last year in 16 starts. I like the theory of Beede, but no way should someone like the Sox throw him out there every 5 days for any period of time. Plus, the velocity "spike" you're citing was Beede's first inning back from an injury which had kept him out since 2019. It was hardly some consistent velocity increase; he was hyped, got shredded that inning, and overthrew. He then went down and was awful.

[Polar Bear]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

You don't care that he doesn't get anyone out? he had an ERA near 7 at AAA last year in 16 starts. I like the theory of Beede, but no way should someone like the Sox throw him out there every 5 days for any period of time. Plus, the velocity "spike" you're citing was Beede's first inning back from an injury which had kept him out since 2019. It was hardly some consistent velocity increase; he was hyped, got shredded that inning, and overthrew. He then went down and was awful.

ST stats are nothing to be taking seriously imo.  Guys work on things etc.  What matters is what they look like and their production during the season.  

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 minute ago, Polar Bear said:

ST stats are nothing to be taking seriously imo.  Guys work on things etc.  What matters is what they look like and their production during the season.  

tyler beede isn't working on anything pal; he's literally fighting to keep a job in major league baseball. you chose to just oddly ignore that beede was awful in AAA last year. 

[Polar Bear]

47 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

tyler beede isn't working on anything pal; he's literally fighting to keep a job in major league baseball. you chose to just oddly ignore that beede was awful in AAA last year. 

I said after the added velocity which was basically after the season 

[Soxfest]

Another guy way past his prime Sox looking at.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

3 minutes ago, Polar Bear said:

I said after the added velocity which was basically after the season 

i can't believe i'm having this many back and forth posts about tyler beede, but not it wasn't. Where are you seeing this made up velocity add for Beede this off-season? It's no where. HIs velocity hasn't changed. He was throwing hard in AAA last year. His velocity was up once he came back in 2021 from his rehab. He hasn't added any since then. He's been bad with the velocity. 

[Polar Bear]

16 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

i can't believe i'm having this many back and forth posts about tyler beede, but not it wasn't. Where are you seeing this made up velocity add for Beede this off-season? It's no where. HIs velocity hasn't changed. He was throwing hard in AAA last year. His velocity was up once he came back in 2021 from his rehab. He hasn't added any since then. He's been bad with the velocity. 

Sitting 97-98 this season and was i think 99 in fall instructs, I think 92-94 before TJ

Edited April 5, 2022 by Polar Bear

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

2 minutes ago, Polar Bear said:

Sitting 97-98 this season and was i think 99 in fall instructs 

there hasn't been a season. there's nothing showing his spring velocity. here's an article from 2019 talking about him sitting 97 in spring:

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/giants-tyler-beede-continues-open-eyes-during-impressive-spring

nothing has changed about Beede's velocity this spring.

fall instructs... lol, going to assume you're joking, beede isn't pitching in fall instructional. please stop dude. have a good one.