Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 8 hours ago, ron883 said: Wrong. Yaz accounted for 15% of the White Sox team walks. 87 walks, 23.2% walk rate. Him falling off a cliff would absolutely drag down the White Sox BB% a significant amount. Not sure what is "wrong." If you removed 40 walks from Yaz last year, the Sox would still have ranked in the top 12 in BB rate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 9 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Robert and Abreu's rates are probably down a bit, too. But almost as big as Grandal's decline is missing Moncada in the lineup for a month in terms of OBP/walks. I think Moncada is the big difference. Not only was he exceptionally patient last year, he has been replaced mostly by Jake Burger who is in the following percentiles: K% - 15th percentile BB% - 9th percentile Whiff% - 6th percentile Chase Rate - 6th percentile Also, José Abreu is actually being MORE patient at the plate this season. José's underlying statistics actually look pretty good, so I'm not too worried about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 On 4/29/2022 at 11:16 AM, caulfield12 said: Or Liam has had a heavy workload the last five years and is slowly losing his stuff and location as a nature part of the aging process. How did Katz treat him differently this year? Isn’t the lockout, cold weather and abbreviated spring training just as likely to be factors in his FB velo being down 2-3 mph? Australia is a warm weather country. On 5/2/2022 at 11:33 AM, southsider2k5 said: Not having Moncada and trading away Our best OBP guy Madrigal has not helped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 On 4/27/2022 at 1:05 AM, ron883 said: Leury was 100% a Tony signing Aggravated by hitting him 2 nd and 3 rd in the lineup while hitting under .100 line. Add vocabulary to the Mendoza line, now we have the Leury line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 2 hours ago, hankchifan said: Australia is a warm weather country. Not having Moncada and trading away Our best OBP guy Madrigal has not helped. Madrigal was not our best OBP guy. His OBP was like 4th or 5th highest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 3 hours ago, hankchifan said: Not having Moncada and trading away Our best OBP guy Madrigal has not helped. Madrigal's .349 OBP in 2021 was behind Grandal (.420), Robert (.378), Moncada (.375), and Abreu (.351) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Madrigal's .349 OBP in 2021 was behind Grandal (.420), Robert (.378), Moncada (.375), and Abreu (.351) Plus he barely played, so isn't like he had a heavy weight on any team stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Madrigal's .349 OBP in 2021 was behind Grandal (.420), Robert (.378), Moncada (.375), and Abreu (.351) OK. My bad, nevertheless, he was our best contact guy with minimal Ks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Not sure what is "wrong." If you removed 40 walks from Yaz last year, the Sox would still have ranked in the top 12 in BB rate. 6 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Madrigal's .349 OBP in 2021 was behind Grandal (.420), Robert (.378), Moncada (.375), and Abreu (.351) Sabermetrics strikes again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Not sure what is "wrong." If you removed 40 walks from Yaz last year, the Sox would still have ranked in the top 12 in BB rate. It depends on how much he falls off, obviously. Removing 40 walks still gives him a BB% of 12.5%~. That's still above average. Give him an 9.75% walk rate, which would rank 3rd best for a team average BB%, and it drops the Sox to 15th. Give him a league average BB% of 8.7% and it drops another spot I'd imagine. 15% of a teams walks by one player is pretty significant. If you replace him with a player with the league average walk rate, it drops the Sox from 4th to 15th or 16th. That's a lot. Edited May 3, 2022 by ron883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 minute ago, ron883 said: It depends on how much he falls off, obviously. Removing 40 walks still gives him a BB% of 12.5%~. That's still above average. Give him an 9.75% walk rate, which would rank 3rd best for a team average BB%, and it drops the Sox to 15th. 15% of a teams walks by one player is pretty significant. Not really; you wouldn't expect an even distribution of walks at 11% per starter and you'd expect some fluctuation. Because Yaz missed so much time last year, his impact wasn't as significant. Moncada had 3 fewer walks than Grandal. Also, Grandal going to 9.75% would be pretty crazy given his career % is 14.8, and every year but one he's been over 13% and this year he's started slow and he's still at 12%. That's why I removed 40. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Not really; you wouldn't expect an even distribution of walks at 11% per starter and you'd expect some fluctuation. Because Yaz missed so much time last year, his impact wasn't as significant. Moncada had 3 fewer walks than Grandal. Also, Grandal going to 9.75% would be pretty crazy given his career % is 14.8, and every year but one he's been over 13% and this year he's started slow and he's still at 12%. That's why I removed 40. How do you yourself define "carrying" in terms of a player carrying BB% for a team? The guy lead the team in walks and lead the team in BB% by far. The team drops from 4th to 11th-13th when you chop off 40 walks, giving him an BB% of 12.5% as you stated. That seems pretty significant. Semantics. Edited May 3, 2022 by ron883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 minute ago, ron883 said: How do you yourself define "carrying" in terms of a player carrying BB% for a team? The guy lead the team in walks and lead the team in BB% by far. The team drops from 4th to 11th-13th when you chop off 40 walks, giving him an BB% of 12.5% as you stated. That seems pretty significant. Semantics. But the team is in the bottom 3 this year, not the middle of the pack at 11-13 as you'd expect to see based on your own math at 12.5%. So Yaz isn't the reason the team isn't in the top 3 this year. That was my entire point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 5 hours ago, hankchifan said: Australia is a warm weather country. Not having Moncada and trading away Our best OBP guy Madrigal has not helped. Well, Hendriks definitely brought his A game yesterday. We will soon see how consistent he is with that against less high profile teams and hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credezcrew24 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 You pull Banks after an 8-3 lead is lost due to 2 errors and Rosairo hitting a pitch he had no business swinging at. Yeah that'll instill confidence through the ranks. FTLR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 He fucking sucks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, credezcrew24 said: You pull Banks after an 8-3 lead is lost due to 2 errors and Rosairo hitting a pitch he had no business swinging at. Yeah that'll instill confidence through the ranks. FTLR Oh please…. Pulling banks was the right call and if he didnt, as things were clearly falling apart and the all star closer waiting in the wings, he would have been rightfully criticized here. TLR did NOTHING wrong. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Go away 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrankinSox Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 LOL I was waiting for this thread to get bumped when the winning streak ended. Zero posts in here when we are winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, KrankinSox said: LOL I was waiting for this thread to get bumped when the winning streak ended. Zero posts in here when we are winning. I am so happy for you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: LOL I was waiting for this thread to get bumped when the winning streak ended. Zero posts in here when we are winning. Happy for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 The fact that he said defense did not cause the loss today is reason enough to bump this thread. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: LOL I was waiting for this thread to get bumped when the winning streak ended. Zero posts in here when we are winning. Long live the LaRusstans! Edited May 10, 2022 by ron883 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, ron883 said: Long live the LaRusstans! Hail Hail Freedonia....land of the free, free, free. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, wegner said: Hail Hail Freedonia....land of the free, free, free. I wonder when the last Marx Brothers reference on this board was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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