caulfield12 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Texsox said: Ben's article shows that the odds to win the game actually moved slightly in the Sox favor after the walk. It wasn't much but I found it surprising. It was by 1%. But that doesn't account for Sousa's reverse splits and Muncy historically against LHPers as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34071445/chicago-white-sox-tony-la-russa-says-order-walk-los-angeles-dodgers-trea-turner-again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: It was by 1%. But that doesn't account for Sousa's reverse splits and Muncy historically against LHPers as well. Are you certain it doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, tray said: The responses to my above post which show what Trea Turner did the previous evening are not surprising given the level of personal animosity shown here. I just cited fact - Trea Turner blasted a HR against us less than 24 hours earlier...one that salted that game away. So TLR decides to pitch to him and Trea goes deep..AGAIN, ..with the Max Muncy on deck. Tell me that fan reaction by TLR detractors would be any different. It wouldn't. I sense hatred by some fans. Is that what this is because it sure doesn't seem like normal baseball fandom to me. Please then explain why Tony the genius let him see 3 pitches before walking him? If a homer was coming 1st base being occupied meant nothing. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, tray said: The responses to my above post which show what Trea Turner did the previous evening are not surprising given the level of personal animosity shown here. I just cited fact - Trea Turner blasted a HR against us less than 24 hours earlier...one that salted that game away. So TLR decides to pitch to him and Trea goes deep..AGAIN, ..with the Max Muncy on deck. Tell me that fan reaction by TLR detractors would be any different. It wouldn't. I sense hatred by some fans. Is that what this is because it sure doesn't seem like normal baseball fandom to me. Fans hate dumb decisions which lead to losses. Not sure why that doesn't bother you, but sure. Tell me why we were pitching at all to him if he was so dangerous? Even if you don't want to pitch TO him, you are ahead 1-2. Throw him a face high fastball, or something in the dirt. See if he will chase, and if he doesn't, oh well. But you have a huge advantage in the count, why not use it? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, tray said: Trea hit one on a 1-1 count. the night before against a RH pitcher. . You think he hasn't hit one on 1-2 against a weak LH pitcher. Again, if TLR let Trea hit and he put another laser in the stands, the reaction by some fans and media would likewise be over the top batsh1t crazy. This is all about nothing at the end of the day. The reaction would be nothing like this. Tony's stupidity is headlining national sports coverage. Even if Turner hit a bomb there it is nothing like a national media embarrassment. Not even in the same universe. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The reaction would be nothing like this. Tony's stupidity is headlining national sports coverage. Even if Turner hit a bomb there it is nothing like a national media embarrassment. Not even in the same universe. Is there a multiverse available where TLR is not the manager? I want to go there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Guys, can we all collectively agree to put tray on ignore? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 hours ago, tray said: Trea hit one on a 1-1 count. the night before against a RH pitcher. . You think he hasn't hit one on 1-2 against a weak LH pitcher. Again, if TLR let Trea hit and he put another laser in the stands, the reaction by some fans and media would likewise be over the top batsh1t crazy. This is all about nothing at the end of the day. I love this because it's like "Trea Turner has hit home runs on counts before, we shouldn't pitch to him. Checkmate." 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, Quin said: I love this because it's like "Trea Turner has hit home runs on counts before, we shouldn't pitch to him. Checkmate." Didn’t Muncy already double earlier that game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Didn’t Muncy already double earlier that game? But has he ever hit a home run against a LHP before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) TLR stubborn Edited June 11, 2022 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 5 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Can we start getting some chants at games? Maybe a "Fire Tony" or something to make the broadcasts awkward? Something to force public shaming? Ugh. Chants like that are no good. They show a lack of class. The whole stadium chanting "Fire Tony" for a .500 team with injuries and the fact he's an old guy is kind of classless. If you are kidding my bad. Just let it play out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, greg775 said: Ugh. Chants like that are no good. They show a lack of class. The whole stadium chanting "Fire Tony" for a .500 team with injuries and the fact he's an old guy is kind of classless. If you are kidding my bad. Just let it play out. I would say running this manager out there is the ultimate lack of class, but I suppose you are the expert for what we are allowed to do at sporting events. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 27 minutes ago, greg775 said: Ugh. Chants like that are no good. They show a lack of class. The whole stadium chanting "Fire Tony" for a .500 team with injuries and the fact he's an old guy is kind of classless. If you are kidding my bad. Just let it play out. Try the Celtics crowd tonight with Draymond Green. Didn’t quite go as intended in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: Guys, can we all collectively agree to put tray on ignore? Welcome to three years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Soxfest said: TLR stubborn He is obsessed with platoon/matchups, and doubles down on his mistakes, which BTW are many. One of the mistakes that led to the Trea IBB was having Sousa in the game in the first place. A guy with 8 ERA against the heart of the Dodgers lineup in a close game late is not a winning move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 TLR is the best player in the Twins lineup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, hankchifan said: TLR is the best player in the Twins lineup. Buxton, Arraez and Correa might disagree. The crazy thing is that of the six teams in the current fight for the #6 AL Wild Card position, the White Sox at -52 RS/RA are a full 40 runs behind the “worst” team of that grouping, the Mariners at 6 games under .500. Boston and CLE lead at +39 and +35 respectively. Angels and Rangers at +7 and 0/Even. Mind boggling they’re still even in the heart of that race, let alone the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If only a certain someone also had that level of self awareness... 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Texsox said: Ben's article shows that the odds to win the game actually moved slightly in the Sox favor after the walk. It wasn't much but I found it surprising. No it didn't. Clearly states odds moved against them. It was by 1%. 1% is a huge move for a manager move in the 6th inning of a game youre already losing by 2. If my math is right, if the game was tied that number moves to 4% on a single managerial move. Edited June 11, 2022 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: If only a certain someone also had that level of self awareness... You’d think Leyland would have tried to talk JR and Hahn out of it. Seems he and Dombrowski must be totally removed from that inner circle… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) Bruce Levine doing everything he can to defend Tony (and Jerry) this morning, but that’s no surprise. Edited June 11, 2022 by flavum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, flavum said: Bruce Levine doing everything he can to defend Tony (and Jerry) this morning, but that’s no surprise. Did he utter the phrase "cancel culture?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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