soxlover15 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 I know it totally takes an entire team to win it all but what do you think is more important starting pitching or position players? Voice your opinion here. Shoot not sure how to do a poll but hey not bad typing for being buzzed huh? i am old school don't speak to type anyway thank you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, soxlover15 said: I know it totally takes an entire team to win it all but what do you think is more important starting pitching or position players? Voice your opinion here. Shoot not sure how to do a poll but hey not bad typing for being buzzed huh? i am old school don't speak to type anyway thank you!! Regular season, position players. Post season, elite starting pitchers. Edited April 12, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxlover15 Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 Sorry meant to discuss this more I guess I think it is obvious starting pitching in the playoffs is more important I guess i am asking who would your first pick be out of any available player? Would it be a starting pitcher or position player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 3 hours ago, soxlover15 said: I know it totally takes an entire team to win it all but what do you think is more important starting pitching or position players? Voice your opinion here. Shoot not sure how to do a poll but hey not bad typing for being buzzed huh? i am old school don't speak to type anyway thank you!! Whichever you don't have. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 I think it's easier to win without premium position players than it is without premium starting pitching. With all the injuries last year, the Sox had significant playing time from Garcia, Goodwin, Mercedes, Collins, Hernandez, Mendick, Sheets, Hamilton, Zavala and Lamb and still won the division easily. If Giolito or Lynn are down for longer than expected or Cease/Kopech have injuries, it will be much harder to overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 In the modern game it's position players. Run prevention and run scoring is about equally as important but SPs only pitch like 60% of the innings in today's game, plus pitching is only like 80% of run prevention with the rest being defense which is done by position players. But of course without a strong rotation it still is very hard to win especially since a BP can only take so much and even a good pen will blow up if 2 or more starters regularly have to get lifted before the 5th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) Pitching, always pitching Pitching injury rate is higher so the importance increases Even the best hitters are successful 40% of the time and the bad hitters 30%. Good pitching beats good hitting. Edited April 12, 2022 by ptatc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 6 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Regular season, position players. Post season, elite starting pitchers. See, I'd actually go with the opposite. Playoffs is a bullpen game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: See, I'd actually go with the opposite. Playoffs is a bullpen game. Sadly, the 2005 ALCS is an animal we will probably never see again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 hour ago, wegner said: Sadly, the 2005 ALCS is an animal we will probably never see again. I am planning to see quite a few of them.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Tony can tell you first hand all you need is an Ace and one gimpy at bat to win a World Series. Many other teams carried one or two top pitchers and an average squad to a WS title throughout baseball history. The Sox went 11-1 in 2005 because of their four dominant starters. Didn't need much of a bullpen or offense. ALDS: 14-2; 5-4; 5-3. ALCS: 3-2; 2-1; 5-2; 8-2. WS: 5-3; 7-6; 7-5 (14 Inn); 1-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 In the regular season give me SP. In the playoffs give me the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hang Wiffem Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Kind of think the opposite is true for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 There’s no answer to this. You can overcome a lack of one with an overwhelming abundance of the other, but it’s easier to just to be balanced. If you’re thinking about what might be the right focus for improving the team, I think it’s more helpful to look at specific positions that are underperforming, i.e. 2B, SP4, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 pitchers can win the game on their own, but they are incredibly risky in both projections and injury risk IMO. so in an ideal world, a no injury, no bust perfect starting pitcher is the #1 weapon. but we don't get a real world, so it's often easier/smarter to build with hitters a la astros think of DET and Kansas city right now who had an abundance of SP prospects and now look a bit like fools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 On 4/12/2022 at 7:37 AM, ptatc said: Pitching, always pitching Pitching injury rate is higher so the importance increases Even the best hitters are successful 40% of the time and the bad hitters 30%. Good pitching beats good hitting. I don’t think this logic holds in this case. If you’re using the per-AB break even point as a baseline, then it also holds true that mediocre pitching beats good hitting, so why bother getting good pitching? The fact that outs are more common than hits is just a part of the game; you have to measure based on your teams ability relative to those norms/relative to the abilities of your opponents. At the end of the day, you just have to end up with more runs than your opponent, whether the score 11-10 or 1-0. I think if I were going to be convinced that one aspect of the game more important than the other, someone would have to show that one could be more reliably trained/lead to more consistent results. And I’m not sure that’s possible, given how offense vs. defense is a zero-sum game — if one was consistently more dominant, then the other would be equally consistently bad, and when it came to differentiation from your opponents, you’d be back to square one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 pitchers can win the game on their own, but they are incredibly risky in both projections and injury risk IMO. so in an ideal world, a no injury, no bust perfect starting pitcher is the #1 weapon. but we don't get a real world, so it's often easier/smarter to build with hitters a la astros think of DET and Kansas city right now who had an abundance of SP prospects and now look a bit like fools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTC Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Option C : Not the bullpen. Don’t spend a crap ton of money there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 12 hours ago, RTC said: Option C : Not the bullpen. Don’t spend a crap ton of money there. Do you see that changing with starters getting pulled sooner and sooner? It seems like starting pitchers are barely covering half a game. That puts a lot of innings on the bullpen. I will be surprised if roster expansion isn't a major factor in the next CBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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