spataro51 Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Here is the link This will be good for garland if he gets a contract, hopefully this will show him that the team and the organization have faith in him and he can concentrate more and stay focused. I am hoping garland will have a break out year maybe 17 wins. I also like the part about Bartolo getting a more money so he can stay here (as long as we don;t pay to much, this is all i would give him if he doesn;t want then let him go else where) Scotty is also getting ready for tryouts for a rotation spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 While I support giving Garland a contract to avoid arbitration, they need to put Buehrle ahead in line in this department. They need to give him a multi-year deal before they give Garland one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 While I support giving Garland a contract to avoid arbitration, they need to put Buehrle ahead in line in this department. They need to give him a multi-year deal before they give Garland one. I couldn't agree with you more. I think they both deserve long term deals though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted October 22, 2003 Author Share Posted October 22, 2003 That is true they need to get buerhle a contract. I don;t know if they will because if colon accepts his offer, buerhle is going to want something in that price range maybe that as much but in the area, and the sox won;t be able to give that money up unless they are willing to spend. I see buehrle staying until after the 2006 season when he becomes a free agent. He allready turned down a few offers that were in the price range that pitchers like him were getting, he will make some money in arbitration, but he is waiting for his payday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 While I support giving Garland a contract to avoid arbitration, they need to put Buehrle ahead in line in this department. They need to give him a multi-year deal before they give Garland one. Sounds simple in theory, but when it comes to cold, hard numbers....I bet its ALOT easier to get the contract for Garland done right now then it is for Buehrle. The club has leverage with Garland, his amount of success is not that of Buehrles. Add to that the fact that Buehrle has already declined one contract offer(I'm not arguing whether it was a fair one or not), and I'm sure the higher-ups are thinking, "We know we can get the deal woth Jon done now, we'll worry about Buehrle after we know where we stand with Colon." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 While I support giving Garland a contract to avoid arbitration, they need to put Buehrle ahead in line in this department. They need to give him a multi-year deal before they give Garland one. They did give Buehrle one last off season, he just didn't take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 I am hoping garland will have a break out year maybe 17 wins. Woo Hoo! Don't get your hopes up. Garland will dash them and be around .500 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 They did give Buehrle one last off season, he just didn't take it. Cause it was s*** and a little less than half was incentive-based. I would of told them to go pound too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted October 22, 2003 Author Share Posted October 22, 2003 You might be right, He could just be a 500 pitcher. But he has alot of potential where he can shut teams down or he can get blown out by the third inning. like i said, If they sign him maybe this will give him some more focus and concentration on attacking the batter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 my guess is they're going to string Buehrle out. if they only sign him for three years, he walks when his six-year clock is up -- probably to St. Louis since he is legitimately a huge Cardinal fan. They probably need to offer at least four years -- which goes against the Sox way of doing business. Garland might sign -- but he'll come much cheaper than Buehrle. not optimistic about the long-term chances of Buehrle staying on the South Side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 If Buehrle gets less than Garland this year, shame on Kenny Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted October 22, 2003 Author Share Posted October 22, 2003 Buehrle will make more then garland this year becuase he had a great second half what i think 9-2 with a 3.0 era or something like that and the arbitrator will see that and reward him for that maybe not big bucks but some kind of amount. Also asside for the fact that the sox won;t have alot of money to spend if colon stays is that they will have to make the first year on garlands contract not that much because simply the money isn;t there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 If Buehrle gets less than Garland this year, shame on Kenny Williams. No chance....this organization may be Mickey Mouse, but even they know that Buehrle>Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 If Buehrle gets less than Garland this year, shame on Kenny Williams. Dude, it's called arbitration. If we don't reach a deal with Buehrle, we will go to arbitration and if we offer some s*** number, we are going to get f***ed over big time. If we go to arbitration with Buehrle, he's going to get like probably like $4 million at the LEAST....and possibly $5 or $6 million. I expect him to get like a 3-4 year deal at like about $3 or $4 mill per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Dude, it's called arbitration. If we don't reach a deal with Buehrle, we will go to arbitration and if we offer some s*** number, we are going to get f***ed over big time. If we go to arbitration with Buehrle, he's going to get like probably like $4 million at the LEAST....and possibly $5 or $6 million. I expect him to get like a 3-4 year deal at like about $3 or $4 mill per. I don't know the exact numbers, but FWIW, players have lost something like 9 out of the last 10 cases that have gone to arbitration. Very few go that route anymore. Most get a contract done, even if it is a one year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Dude, it's called arbitration. If we don't reach a deal with Buehrle, we will go to arbitration and if we offer some s*** number, we are going to get f***ed over big time. If we go to arbitration with Buehrle, he's going to get like probably like $4 million at the LEAST....and possibly $5 or $6 million. I expect him to get like a 3-4 year deal at like about $3 or $4 mill per. I don't know the exact numbers, but FWIW, players have lost something like 9 out of the last 10 cases that have gone to arbitration. Very few go that route anymore. Most get a contract done, even if it is a one year deal. And Buehrle is not coming off of what you would call a stellar year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Garland Sould get an Old Pair of Socks and an Old Glove. Mark and Colo sould be first in the Contract talks Garland has earned s*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Dude, it's called arbitration. If we don't reach a deal with Buehrle, we will go to arbitration and if we offer some s*** number, we are going to get f***ed over big time. If we go to arbitration with Buehrle, he's going to get like probably like $4 million at the LEAST....and possibly $5 or $6 million. I expect him to get like a 3-4 year deal at like about $3 or $4 mill per. I don't know the exact numbers, but FWIW, players have lost something like 9 out of the last 10 cases that have gone to arbitration. Very few go that route anymore. Most get a contract done, even if it is a one year deal. And Buehrle is not coming off of what you would call a stellar year. I also believe that the most a 1st time arbitration eligible pitcher has ever gotten was a little more then 3M. If the Sox take Buehrle to arbitration he will most likely get around 3M. Thinking that he will get AT LEAST 4 or 5M through arbitration shows that you really don't understand how arbitration works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Garland Sould get an Old Pair of Socks and an Old Glove. Mark and Colo sould be first in the Contract talks Garland has earned s*** Man, Garland down the stretch was pretty solid for a #4. 7 out of his last 9 starts of the season were considered Quality Starts(6 or more IP, 3 or less ER). To me, he is as important to the rotation as the rest of the guys. Loz is back on the option for 2004, Buehrle is back with or without arb, Garland is back, Colon is the one put to the decision, because the rest of the rotation will be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 like i said, If they sign him maybe this will give him some more focus and concentration on attacking the batter. This just doesn't happen. If he improves, or keeps farting along, it will have nothing to do with his paycheck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 The goal of the Sox with Buehrle should be giving him a 4 year deal, that way we can extend him one year beyond 2006, which is the last year we own the rights to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Yeah, but we know Jerry and long term deals with pitchers. I would like to keep Buehrle around though. The guy is a stud. Would be sad if the Sox shun another of their great players in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Garland Sould get an Old Pair of Socks and an Old Glove. Mark and Colo sould be first in the Contract talks Garland has earned s*** i wouldnt mind locking him up while he is cheap still he is only 23 and has 3 years of MLB experience under his belt already. He held his own in the majors when most players his age are still playing in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 I also believe that the most a 1st time arbitration eligible pitcher has ever gotten was a little more then 3M. If the Sox take Buehrle to arbitration he will most likely get around 3M. Thinking that he will get AT LEAST 4 or 5M through arbitration shows that you really don't understand how arbitration works. Oh Christ, bust my balls for being off $1-$2 mill. Point blank, Buehrle will, without a doubt, make more money then Jon/Judy Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 Oh Christ, bust my balls for being off $1-$2 mill. Point blank, Buehrle will, without a doubt, make more money then Jon/Judy Garland. Oh, if you say something that someone disagrees with, you'll hear about it in here. In fact, you're pretty good at ball busting too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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