maxjusttyped Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 The Sox have had 1 2B surpass 2 FG WAR since 2006. The only one to do it was Yolmer in 2017. It's just remarkable how bad of a job Hahn/KW have done at solving what's been an organizational black hole for almost 20 years now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Tomtom said: Can we stop the Josh Harrison expirament. With the exception of a few good defensie plays, this guy has done nothing offensively. This is another Cesar Hernanez! Should have gone after Adam Frazier to play 2nd base! Or Escobar. Or Wendle. Or Taylor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: The White Sox payroll is around $200M. They've spent plenty of money. Try $175...at least go by the same payroll numbers that everyone else uses. But you're making a great argument for poor allocation of resources. The Twins and Tigers at $135 million, and they collectively added 3 $100+ million contract guys in Baez, Buxton and Correa. The Twins also added Ryan, Bundy, Archer, Gray and Paddack to their rotation whereas we were only able to scrounge up 9.70 ERA in his last ten starts VV. The Indians even swept us with half our payroll. And signed the biggest get of all in Jose Ramirez. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 hours ago, fathom said: Yep, he hustles to first on those weak pop ups he hits. He’s done, and it’s sad he was even considered a possible option. He will get better. Wait till it warms up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 24 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Try $175...at least go by the same payroll numbers that everyone else uses. But you're making a great argument for poor allocation of resources. The Twins and Tigers at $135 million, and they collectively added 3 $100+ million contract guys in Baez, Buxton and Correa. The Twins also added Ryan, Bundy, Archer, Gray and Paddack to their rotation whereas we were only able to scrounge up 9.70 ERA in his last ten starts VV. The Indians even swept us with half our payroll. And signed the biggest get of all in Jose Ramirez. Payroll doesn’t win games and/or championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 26 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Try $175...at least go by the same payroll numbers that everyone else uses. But you're making a great argument for poor allocation of resources. The Twins and Tigers at $135 million, and they collectively added 3 $100+ million contract guys in Baez, Buxton and Correa. The Twins also added Ryan, Bundy, Archer, Gray and Paddack to their rotation whereas we were only able to scrounge up 9.70 ERA in his last ten starts VV. The Indians even swept us with half our payroll. And signed the biggest get of all in Jose Ramirez. https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/white-sox This says the Sox payroll is $191M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/white-sox This says the Sox payroll is $191M Didn't someone post that with cap eligible benefits the actual cap number is 210? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: Didn't someone post that with cap eligible benefits the actual cap number is 210? Yes, that's real money vs. Luxury tax. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tax/ Sox luxury tax payroll is $212M Edited April 29, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, maxjusttyped said: You could post a screenshot of basically every core position player on the team (aside from Vaughn + TA) to imply they wouldn't be making a difference. I would still love to have Madrigal on this team for the next ~5 months and/or 5 years. I would still love to have about 15 guys taken after Nick in the 2018 draft. Edited April 29, 2022 by JoeCredeYes changed 10 to 15 after counting studs taken after Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, maxjusttyped said: You could post a screenshot of basically every core position player on the team (aside from Vaughn + TA) to imply they wouldn't be making a difference. I would still love to have Madrigal on this team for the next ~5 months and/or 5 years. Tallest midget, literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Yes, that's real money vs. Luxury tax. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tax/ Sox luxury tax payroll is $212M You know they won't go over the tax so that number is the realistic number for how much they have left to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 This thread is just so typical of fans. Leury hits a HR, buys him time off the punching bag list. "Let me scroll up and down the lineup and start attacking the next man who sucks." Really, who gives a fuck who plays 2B when everyone outside of Vaughn can't hit for shit right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, elrockinMT said: Payroll doesn’t win games and/or championships Sure, the 2005 White Sox prove that point as well. But there's at least a 75-80% correlation with Top 10-12 payrolls and making it to the postseason. The exceptions are only the A's, Rays, Brewers and Sox/Braves in recent years. Of course, you also have to factor in expanded playoffs, with 40-45% of teams making it two years ago, like the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, ptatc said: You know they won't go over the tax so that number is the realistic number for how much they have left to work with. Which means with the White Sox basically at par with Detroit and Minnesota in attendance those two teams have a significant advantage at the midseason TDL with better farm systems and significantly more financial flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, ron883 said: This argument is such crap. With the number of players on this team that supposedly can't hit "because of the cold", we're dead in the water come October. That’s just like your opinion man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: This thread is just so typical of fans. Leury hits a HR, buys him time off the punching bag list. "Let me scroll up and down the lineup and start attacking the next man who sucks." Really, who gives a fuck who plays 2B when everyone outside of Vaughn can't hit for shit right now. Post counts are like pitch counts - except the opposite. This post gets mine up there by one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 3 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: $181,660,000.00 I believe it’s more like $191M, and soon to be $195M or so when Cueto arrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Try $175...at least go by the same payroll numbers that everyone else uses. But you're making a great argument for poor allocation of resources. The Twins and Tigers at $135 million, and they collectively added 3 $100+ million contract guys in Baez, Buxton and Correa. The Twins also added Ryan, Bundy, Archer, Gray and Paddack to their rotation whereas we were only able to scrounge up 9.70 ERA in his last ten starts VV. The Indians even swept us with half our payroll. And signed the biggest get of all in Jose Ramirez. I said nothing about the other teams in division. Also your $175M figure is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 The Sox have spent money. Not very efficiently though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 13 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: You could post a screenshot of basically every core position player on the team (aside from Vaughn + TA) to imply they wouldn't be making a difference. I would still love to have Madrigal on this team for the next ~5 months and/or 5 years. I could but I didn't because I wasnt making that argument about everyone else. Madrigal has sucked this year, Villar is starting over him now. Complaining about him now doesn't fucking help because he is gone and he is sucking out loud over there. /fin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Yogurt is the future. All hail Yogurt! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 He sucks, if only anyone could have seen this coming!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I said nothing about the other teams in division. Also your $175M figure is wrong. $186, $192-193, $212, $181-82…whichever number you go with, they’re all embarrassingly poor allocations of resources. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/payroll/ http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm https://boardroom.tv/mlb-team-payrolls-2022/ And the only thing keeping the Sox alive seemingly is spending $50 million more than the Twins and Tigers. That massive cushion means parity reigns. Edited April 30, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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