YASNY Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Guillen article Sox plan to talk to Yankees 3B Coach, Willie Randolph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 After reading that, I am officially an Ozzie Guillen supporter. He knows what to do with Frank. Jerry did not, he let Frank do what he wants, thus our team failed. Bring on Guillen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 After reading that, I am officially an Ozzie Guillen supporter. He knows what to do with Frank. Jerry did not, he let Frank do what he wants, thus our team failed. Bring on Guillen! I agree 100%. And wouldn't the Yankees be the team to hire Willie Randolph as manager some day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 When Ozzie played, he didn't run balls out. He never walked. He got hurt everytime he would slide, or at least act hurt. Frank played with him and knows this. He knows how hypocritical it would be if Ozzie got into someone's face for not running the bases. He's definitely a chatter box, and I think he could bring some energy to the team, I just see trouble at the first sight of anything going wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 When Ozzie played, he didn't run balls out. He never walked. He got hurt everytime he would slide, or at least act hurt. Frank played with him and knows this. He knows how hypocritical it would be if Ozzie got into someone's face for not running the bases. He's definitely a chatter box, and I think he could bring some energy to the team, I just see trouble at the first sight of anything going wrong. Ozzie didn't run balls out?!? What team were you watching? I remmeber SPECIFICALLY one game, where the Sox were down one run in the 8th. Ozzie lead off with a bunt for a hit....Stole second on the first pitch to the next batter, then took third on a passed ball that the catcher kept in front of him. He didn't attempt the throw cause Ozzie was already flying to third. He then tied the game by scoring on a sac fly. Thats BALLS OUT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Ozzie didn't run balls out?!? What team were you watching? I remmeber SPECIFICALLY one game, where the Sox were down one run in the 8th. Ozzie lead off with a bunt for a hit....Stole second on the first pitch to the next batter, then took third on a passed ball that the catcher kept in front of him. He didn't attempt the throw cause Ozzie was already flying to third. He then tied the game by scoring on a sac fly. Thats BALLS OUT. If Ozzie hit a grounder in the infield, he would jog to first base. Hawk even criticized him for it once. You remember one game, Ozzie played over 1000 for the Sox. He hustled when he was on base, but might have been on base more had he hustled all the time. He has no patience, hence his walk total. I don't think that is a good trait for a manager to have, although JM had too much patience. Ozzie even popped off about the fans saying the team didn't need them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Ozzie didn't run balls out?!? What team were you watching? I remmeber SPECIFICALLY one game, where the Sox were down one run in the 8th. Ozzie lead off with a bunt for a hit....Stole second on the first pitch to the next batter, then took third on a passed ball that the catcher kept in front of him. He didn't attempt the throw cause Ozzie was already flying to third. He then tied the game by scoring on a sac fly. Thats BALLS OUT. If Ozzie hit a grounder in the infield, he would jog to first base. Hawk even criticized him for it once. You remember one game, Ozzie played over 1000 for the Sox. He hustled when he was on base, but might have been on base more had he hustled all the time. He has no patience, hence his walk total. I don't think that is a good trait for a manager to have, although JM had too much patience. Ozzie even popped off about the fans saying the team didn't need them. Shall we assume that Ozzie isn't your favorite candidate for the job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Ozzie didn't run balls out?!? What team were you watching? I remmeber SPECIFICALLY one game, where the Sox were down one run in the 8th. Ozzie lead off with a bunt for a hit....Stole second on the first pitch to the next batter, then took third on a passed ball that the catcher kept in front of him. He didn't attempt the throw cause Ozzie was already flying to third. He then tied the game by scoring on a sac fly. Thats BALLS OUT. If Ozzie hit a grounder in the infield, he would jog to first base. Hawk even criticized him for it once. You remember one game, Ozzie played over 1000 for the Sox. He hustled when he was on base, but might have been on base more had he hustled all the time. He has no patience, hence his walk total. I don't think that is a good trait for a manager to have, although JM had too much patience. Ozzie even popped off about the fans saying the team didn't need them. Shall we assume that Ozzie isn't your favorite candidate for the job? That would be a safe assumption, although if they hired him, I do believe we would be better of than we were with JM. He would bring energy to the team, I just don't think he's as perfect a candidate as some, and think if Frank is still on the team, there could be a lot of trouble. Regardless of what they say, Ozzie and Frank weren't and aren't exactly close. Ozzie used to try to embarrass him, and this was back when Frank was MVP- like every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Ozzie didn't run balls out?!? What team were you watching? I remmeber SPECIFICALLY one game, where the Sox were down one run in the 8th. Ozzie lead off with a bunt for a hit....Stole second on the first pitch to the next batter, then took third on a passed ball that the catcher kept in front of him. He didn't attempt the throw cause Ozzie was already flying to third. He then tied the game by scoring on a sac fly. Thats BALLS OUT. If Ozzie hit a grounder in the infield, he would jog to first base. Hawk even criticized him for it once. You remember one game, Ozzie played over 1000 for the Sox. He hustled when he was on base, but might have been on base more had he hustled all the time. He has no patience, hence his walk total. I don't think that is a good trait for a manager to have, although JM had too much patience. Ozzie even popped off about the fans saying the team didn't need them. You are using Hawk's judgement as a guide? This is the man who fired Tony LaRussa. I am quoting one game, but I remmeber thousands that he played. His intensity on the field and love for the game are TWO of the major issues the Sox lacked last season. You are basing his ability to manage on his walk total? Could his career OBP been higher...sure. He was, for the most part the number 9 hitter. But he is not the hitting coach. Greg Walker has that job. Will he tell Greg: "Make sure no one walks!" I don't think so, that was Ozzie's game as a player to put the ball in play. He also didn't Strike out much or hit into many double plays. Care to see that on the team? His job is to motivate, keep this team focused on the task at hand, and make sure they have fun. Something he did in on a extremely high level as a player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Hawk loved Ozzie, he even cried when the team stayed in the dugout and Ozzie went out to short his last home game. Its not only Hawk's judgement I am considering. It doesn't take much skill to see someone is jaking it down the line. The White Sox are loaded with these players. Scouts are quoted as saying they can't get good times for the Sox players because they don't bust their ass down the line. Ozzie did the same thing. So much so, that Hawk even mentioned it on a broadcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Randolph was mentioned early on when JM was fired by a few members of this board. Wouldn't be surprised to see him receive a long look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 I think that for the most part, most of us Sox fans think it will come down to Cito Gaston, ot Ozzie Guillen....will JR pay the money to bring Cito in?? Why hasn't Cito been coaching the last 10 years in MLB?? Do we wanna trust our fragile clubhouse with a first year mgr?? These are the questions that are deciding factors in this search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 He managed the Jays until 1997. That is a little less than 10 years. He hasn't been gone as long as you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 the most interesting thing i saw was the comment from alomar about the clubhouse. It's pretty obvious that the Sox need somebody who will take on Frank, something JM rarely did successfully. I'm for the guy ready, willing and able to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Did Mike Scoscia bust his ass down first base every game? Did Joe Torre? Doubtful. But they still bring the intensity that you need as a manager. They motivate the players like Eckstein and Jeter (not that he needs it) to play balls out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 the most interesting thing i saw was the comment from alomar about the clubhouse. It's pretty obvious that the Sox need somebody who will take on Frank, something JM rarely did successfully. I'm for the guy ready, willing and able to do that. I think the definate guy to hire is Ozzie Guillen. I hope the Sox brass feels the same way. I think he'd make a huge difference in the clubhouse and with this team. Great article, also the trib had a nice piece too with a little different quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Great article. I'm officially on the Ozzie bandwagon. Especially if it's between Ozzie and Cito. Yes Cito may have the rings, but he's also as laid back as JM according to reports. The Sox definately need someone who is the polar opposite of JM right now. While Ozzie may not be crazy Pinella style "In Your Face" kind of manager, he's not laid back and I think will get this team in shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 24, 2003 Author Share Posted October 24, 2003 Randolph was mentioned early on when JM was fired by a few members of this board. Wouldn't be surprised to see him receive a long look. That's true, he was mentioned here. But, this is the first time I've seen his name mentioned by the media as far as him being considered by the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Randolph was mentioned early on when JM was fired by a few members of this board. Wouldn't be surprised to see him receive a long look. That's true, he was mentioned here. But, this is the first time I've seen his name mentioned by the media as far as him being considered by the Sox. Although a longshot, I wouldn't mind Willie. Seems as though he'd make a good big league manager, especially with the experience he has gained working with the Yanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 the most interesting thing i saw was the comment from alomar about the clubhouse. It's pretty obvious that the Sox need somebody who will take on Frank, something JM rarely did successfully. I'm for the guy ready, willing and able to do that. I think the definate guy to hire is Ozzie Guillen. I hope the Sox brass feels the same way. I think he'd make a huge difference in the clubhouse and with this team. Great article, also the trib had a nice piece too with a little different quotes. A huge impact... like we need another moron in the clubhouse. Ozzie.. "They want me cause my team beat the Cubs".. what an idiot. He's a friggin 3rd base coach.. if he was ready for a managerial job Florida would have looked at him when they were managerless don't ya think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 the most interesting thing i saw was the comment from alomar about the clubhouse. It's pretty obvious that the Sox need somebody who will take on Frank, something JM rarely did successfully. I'm for the guy ready, willing and able to do that. I think the definate guy to hire is Ozzie Guillen. I hope the Sox brass feels the same way. I think he'd make a huge difference in the clubhouse and with this team. Great article, also the trib had a nice piece too with a little different quotes. A huge impact... like we need another moron in the clubhouse. Ozzie.. "They want me cause my team beat the Cubs".. what an idiot. He's a friggin 3rd base coach.. if he was ready for a managerial job Florida would have looked at him when they were managerless don't ya think? Finally, a voice of reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 The owner down there in Florida has no personal ties to Ozzie Guillen. The owner in Chicago does ... and that simple fact transcends any discussion of why Florida didn't/wouldn't consider him after firing Torborg. I'm not overly excited about either Gaston or Guillen. Both have some flaws ... Given the choice, though, I'd still opt for Gaston as manager, Guillen as 3rd base coach, and if Joe Nossek retires, try to get Molitor as bench coach as he and Gaston have a connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 the most interesting thing i saw was the comment from alomar about the clubhouse. It's pretty obvious that the Sox need somebody who will take on Frank, something JM rarely did successfully. I'm for the guy ready, willing and able to do that. I think the definate guy to hire is Ozzie Guillen. I hope the Sox brass feels the same way. I think he'd make a huge difference in the clubhouse and with this team. Great article, also the trib had a nice piece too with a little different quotes. A huge impact... like we need another moron in the clubhouse. Ozzie.. "They want me cause my team beat the Cubs".. what an idiot. He's a friggin 3rd base coach.. if he was ready for a managerial job Florida would have looked at him when they were managerless don't ya think? Finally, a voice of reason. FWIW I have some personal stories about Ozzie from my Belle days... Ozzie is not the brightest bulb in the box.. not even close. The guy is still a kid, which is the reason he was not even considered for the Florida job. I'm sorry, but if you are not a canadate for a job where you currently work.. something's wrong there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 The owner down there in Florida has no personal ties to Ozzie Guillen. The owner in Chicago does ... and that simple fact transcends any discussion of why Florida didn't/wouldn't consider him after firing Torborg. I'm not overly excited about either Gaston or Guillen. Both have some flaws ... Given the choice, though, I'd still opt for Gaston as manager, Guillen as 3rd base coach, and if Joe Nossek retires, try to get Molitor as bench coach as he and Gaston have a connection. Personal ties, . If people only knew. The interview is simply to say it was done. Ozzie has as much of a chance at being the manager as my grama does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Is your grandma any good at managing a pitching staff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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