Harry Chappas Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 His style works for the early 80's Cardinals but not for a beer league softball team that doesn't have the young athletic fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Harry Chappas said: His style works for the early 80's Cardinals but not for a beer league softball team that doesn't have the young athletic fellas. I mean, it even works for the juiced ball league when the ball could just launch itself. Now...no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Is this still the Fire Frank thread? If so, yes please do so. If not, fire him anyways. This aint working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said: CHICKS DIG SINGLES TO THE OPPOSITE FIELD 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 What's the MLB record for runners left on base? Because this team has to be approaching it... I've never seen anything like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 If Menechino + TLR are back next year im 100% done with this franchise 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 31 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said: What's the MLB record for runners left on base? Because this team has to be approaching it... I've never seen anything like it. 1334 by the 1941 St. Louis Browns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 12 hours ago, Harry Chappas said: His style works for the early 80's Cardinals but not for a beer league softball team that doesn't have the young athletic fellas. His style definitely doesn't work for a team that is the worst I can remember at situational hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Balta1701 said: 1334 by the 1941 St. Louis Browns 852 plus however many last night 865 274 for next 39 at this pace of 7+. 1139. About 200 off. Was that 154 games though? So not really all THAT close in reality. Just feels like that because of all the frustration building up. Edited August 24, 2022 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: 852 plus however many last night 865 274 for next 39 at this pace of 7+. 1139. About 200 off. Was that 154 games though? So not really all THAT close in reality. Just feels like that because of all the frustration building up. It feels like the Sox have been bad at getting in RISP for the last 15 years. This year is just extra bad because the bar was set so high. This team is toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 It’s simply amazing that whatever he teaches results in a singles offense wherever he goes. Like what in the entire fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 6 hours ago, caulfield12 said: 852 plus however many last night 865 274 for next 39 at this pace of 7+. 1139. About 200 off. Was that 154 games though? So not really all THAT close in reality. Just feels like that because of all the frustration building up. Considering the era its close enough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: It’s simply amazing that whatever he teaches results in a singles offense wherever he goes. Like what in the entire fuck Those Marlins teams were usually god awful on offense but they were also consistently last in the league in home runs. The only year where they weren't in the bottom 3rd in homers was when Stanton hit 59 homers in 2017. Even with Stanton hitting almost 60 homers they were still 9th in the NL in homers that year at 194. That was also when MLB started juicing the baseball. But you know what Frank's teams were usually top 5 in? Batting average. During his 6 year tenure with the Marlins they were top 5 in BA 4 times. They were top 5 in runs scored just once and that was the season Stanton hit 59 homers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle JIm Rivera Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Weakly hit ground balls and fly balls or right at the outfielders short of the warning track and not counting strikeouts while our opponents they hit the ball where we ain't. Our Nellie fox, a great place hitter "hit it where they ain't". Well, they have to first be able to hit the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 I believe Menechino will be fired. I think they are saving him to be the scapegoat so they don’t have to make broader institutional change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 38 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I believe Menechino will be fired. I think they are saving him to be the scapegoat so they don’t have to make broader institutional change. Very possible. Remember TLR went through six hitting coaches when he managed the A's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2022 team stats correlations to runs scored and Sox ranks: GB%: -0.49 / 4th O-Swing: -0.30 / 1st K: -0.23 / 24th most (9th fewest) 1B: 0.22 / 1st BB: 0.58 / 29th ISO: 0.82 / 29th So the worst things to rank highly in are ground ball rate and out of zone swing percentage and the Sox are 4th and 1st in those stats. Strikeout rate and number of singles have minimal impact on scoring runs and the Sox do very well at both of those. Walk rate and Isolated power (SLG-AVG) have HUGE impacts on scoring runs and the Sox are only better than Detroit in both. This team is emphasizing (and even admitting to emphasizing) things that don't translate into scoring runs. There is causation here too. Swinging at more pitches outside of the zone leads to fewer walks and more ground balls. More ground balls lead to more singles and fewer extra base hits. As someone who's statistically inclined it's horribly frustrating to see the problem so clearly and have the team completely ignore it. I know there there was a graph showing that the Sox have the fewest analytics employees in MLB, but even they have to be aware of this data, don't they? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 A+ title @Kyyle23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Thanks. That is a great analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: I know there there was a graph showing that the Sox have the fewest analytics employees in MLB, but even they have to be aware of this data, don't they? I'm not sure which is worse. Option 1: no - the team (analytics department) isn't aware of these horrible and disturbingly inept offensive numbers Option 2: yes - the team is aware but isn't acting on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said: I know there there was a graph showing that the Sox have the fewest analytics employees in MLB, but even they have to be aware of this data, don't they? I would like to know more about who these analysts are, are they buddy hires like Duncan or do they actually have analytical experience? On paper we have 5 but in actuality that number could be 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 5 hours ago, Timmy U said: I believe Menechino will be fired. I think they are saving him to be the scapegoat so they don’t have to make broader institutional change. I just.....can't wrap my head around how this org can go into 2023 with LaRussa in the dugout. I am still in the "believe it when I see it camp" for sure, but holy fuck, there is no way they're THAT incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 The unwavering confidence in this approach in the face of data, results, etc is pretty incredible. It’s like, here’s my pizza delivery business. Our policy is to punch every customer in the face before we hand them the pizza. We have hundreds of lawsuits and the business keeps decreasing, but we must not be punching the customers hard enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I just.....can't wrap my head around how this org can go into 2023 with LaRussa in the dugout. I am still in the "believe it when I see it camp" for sure, but holy fuck, there is no way they're THAT incompetent. Would just show Jerry doesn’t care about winning, he cares about doing things his way. It’s sad what this organization is these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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