JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 …when healthy… I’ll take Lynn/Giolito/Kopech/Cease/Cueto over any other starting 5 in MLB this season. Who’s better? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: …when healthy… I’ll take Lynn/Giolito/Kopech/Cease/Cueto over any other starting 5 in MLB this season. Who’s better? Easily top 5, and the lone reason why they will stay in the race to the end despite the offensive outage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 After a thread like this, the only question is who gets hurt right away. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: …when healthy… I’ll take Lynn/Giolito/Kopech/Cease/Cueto over any other starting 5 in MLB this season. Who’s better? Brewers. Eric Lauer would be the Sox best starter, and he's the Brewers #4. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: Brewers. Eric Lauer would be the Sox best starter, and he's the Brewers #4. How could Lauer be the Sox best starter when Kopech would be the Brewers’ best starter? 7 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 Lynn < Burnes Giolito > Woodruff Cease > Peralta Kopech > Lauer Cueto < Houser I’d give the Sox a slight edge over the Brew Crew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 If Lynn comes back and is the guy who abused the multiple teams and became a Jomboy mainstay, this rotation is so much better. Giolito and Cease have shown they are truly top of the rotation guys. Kopech is quickly demonstrating that he's an ace. Cueto has been about as good as we could have expected. If he can even go out every 5th game and give us 5-6 innings and give up less than 3 runs each time, he's a perfect #5 starter. If they all pitch to their potential, they're in the top 3 in baseball. If they all pitch well every time but are still human, they're still in the top 5-6 in baseball. Oh, and they need to stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: Brewers. Eric Lauer would be the Sox best starter, and he's the Brewers #4. As far as ERA's, Lauer 2.16 and Burnes 2.26 are solid. However Ashby - 3.49, Houser - 4.50 and Woodruff - 4.76 are not as strong collectively as our starting 5 rotation: Kopech - 1.29 Giolito - 2.84 Cease - 3.09 Cueto - 0.00 Lynn - ? no ERA yet BTW, Lauer would not be the best starter on the Sox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Why are we still listing Lynn first? We've seen enough so far this year to say that Cease and Kopech are the top two starters in some order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: Why are we still listing Lynn first? We've seen enough so far this year to say that Cease and Kopech are the top two starters in some order. Honestly a nice problem to have. If healthy, a rock solid 1~4, albeit with significant restrictions on the workload of one of those four (Kopech). Hoping that between Keuchel's impending demotion to the bullpen (at least part-time) and VV / ReyLo being able to be used as heavy-workload swingmen, we would be able to manage Kopech's workload down the stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: Why are we still listing Lynn first? We've seen enough so far this year to say that Cease and Kopech are the top two starters in some order. None of us have any idea as to what Lynn is going to be when he returns. Lance may very well go all Cy Lynn, but right now he is a question mark going into the remainder of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 ...and by "a nice problem to have," I mean "being able to demote a Cy Young vote recipient from the #1 spot in the rotation to #3 ~ #4 because other guys just got way better presumably without the original guy regressing" is a nice "problem" to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 minute ago, JoeC said: Honestly a nice problem to have. If healthy, a rock solid 1~4, albeit with significant restrictions on the workload of one of those four (Kopech). Hoping that between Keuchel's impending demotion to the bullpen (at least part-time) and VV / ReyLo being able to be used as heavy-workload swingmen, we would be able to manage Kopech's workload down the stretch. ReyLo has become a pretty good 1-inning bullpen guy and I don't think he's in the mix to shift back to a heavier workload. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Lynn < Burnes Giolito > Woodruff Cease > Peralta Kopech > Lauer Cueto < Houser I’d give the Sox a slight edge over the Brew Crew The days of Lynn being the Sox #1 are over and gone. Woodruff has been uncharacteristically awful so far so that’s a bit of a tossup based on two months of 2022 or the last 2-3 years cumulatively. Lauer wasn’t able to hold his spot in SD at the back end of that rotation and was traded. Doesn’t have dominant stuff but can be a Greg Hibbard type for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 39 minutes ago, hogan873 said: If Lynn comes back and is the guy who abused the multiple teams and became a Jomboy mainstay, this rotation is so much better. Giolito and Cease have shown they are truly top of the rotation guys. Kopech is quickly demonstrating that he's an ace. Cueto has been about as good as we could have expected. If he can even go out every 5th game and give us 5-6 innings and give up less than 3 runs each time, he's a perfect #5 starter. If they all pitch to their potential, they're in the top 3 in baseball. If they all pitch well every time but are still human, they're still in the top 5-6 in baseball. Oh, and they need to stay healthy. What’s a Jomboy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: …when healthy… I’ll take Lynn/Giolito/Kopech/Cease/Cueto over any other starting 5 in MLB this season. Who’s better? What no DK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) https://sportsnaut.com/mlb-rotation-rankings-best-starting-pitchers/ Have to push the Mets down with top two out and Bassitt temporarily #1. Dodgers and Brewers are obviously up there. SFG when everyone is healthy. Marlins are rapidly ascending. Somehow teams like the Rays and Braves keep producing arms. Statistically the A’s have been really really good, too. https://www.mlb.com/news/best-mlb-rotations-2022 Preseason the Sox were #4. And I still think we need to look at 5-6 Cueto starts before drawing any firm conclusions. Keuchel and VV will obviously drag them down. Edited May 23, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Lynn isn't even healthy yet, Cueto might just be smoke & mirrors, Cease looks incredible but he doesn't exactly have a long track record of these high level results, and Kopech while also looking incredible last night still has innings limitations to worry about. In this fraction of an instant they look like a top rotation on paper, but there are too many caveats and variables to declare them the best rotation going. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Kinda hilarious that both of the last two seasons we went in think the rotation was fucked and then turned to wait do we have the best rotation in baseball? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Cueto is probably cheatin’ somehow, they just havent figured it out yet. His ball was moving weird. Plus in his first game back, the Ump going up to the mound to have a convo with him was very suspicious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The days of Lynn being the Sox #1 are over and gone. He was literally their #1 the last time he was pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Lynn isn't even healthy yet, Cueto might just be smoke & mirrors, Cease looks incredible but he doesn't exactly have a long track record of these high level results, and Kopech while also looking incredible last night still has innings limitations to worry about. In this fraction of an instant they look like a top rotation on paper, but there are too many caveats and variables to declare them the best rotation going. While I don't disagree with your entire premise, the Cease point is just wrong in my opinion. Cease has found command and learned to repeat his delivery. This guy is here to stay. His peripherals are actually better than his production. The guy is elite; barring a health set-back, I have no reservations there. Cueto could be smoke and mirrors although his velocity has been pretty shocking. Every rotation in baseball could have these pessimistic outlooks for guys; heck, the Brewers who were brought up in this thread have Lauer with one good month, Peralta who has been up and down and has durability concerns with innings growth, and Houser is just a guy; nothing to write home about. I think the Sox have a very good argument for best rotation in baseball; they had one last year and with Kopech sliding in for Rodon there hasn't been much of a step backwards despite Lynn being out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Green Line said: Cueto is probably cheatin’ somehow, they just havent figured it out yet. His ball was moving weird. Plus in his first game back, the Ump going up to the mound to have a convo with him was very suspicious. My only possibly "cheating" thought with Cueto would be PED's; his Velo is higher than it's been in 6 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: https://sportsnaut.com/mlb-rotation-rankings-best-starting-pitchers/ Have to push the Mets down with top two out and Bassitt temporarily #1. Dodgers and Brewers are obviously up there. SFG when everyone is healthy. Marlins are rapidly ascending. Somehow teams like the Rays and Braves keep producing arms. Statistically the A’s have been really really good, too. https://www.mlb.com/news/best-mlb-rotations-2022 Preseason the Sox were #4. And I still think we need to look at 5-6 Cueto starts before drawing any firm conclusions. Keuchel and VV will obviously drag them down. The Dodgers are up there? With Kershaw and Heaney (who stinks) on the IL, the Dodgers don't even have 5 starters on their big league roster right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: My only possibly "cheating" thought with Cueto would be PED's; his Velo is higher than it's been in 6 years. I must say I really DGAF if he is on some PEDs. Other teams have cheated in an organized fashion, gotten caught and had nothing of any consequence happen. So if Chicago has a "hear no evil see no evil" policy on Cueto's training I really do not care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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