Jerry McNertney Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 At first I thought poster "Greg Hubbard" was joking about Moncada being a great player. Now, I'm beginning to think he's serious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry McNertney Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) Sorry, meant "Hibbard". Edited May 25, 2022 by Jerry McNertney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: Don't worry, these next two are likely getting rained out. Anyway, I still think that Yoan can be a good offensive player, but I don't think he's ever going to be the superstar we were sold. If that makes him disappointing, so be it. I think somewhere between 3.5-4.5 WAR is where he's going to be most of the time. Still well above average, but not star. I'd be ecstatic if he came close to Robin Ventura, the player not the manager. Edited May 25, 2022 by The Mighty Mite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Jerry McNertney said: Sorry, meant "Hibbard". Yeah to clarify my position: I guess I’m looking at the 2 complete seasons in which Moncada went a combined .291 / .371 / .479 / .850 over 1175 plate appearances as a sign of massive improvement, while a lot of other people seem to look at the 225 PA during the 2020 season in which he had COVID and the 58 PA coming off the oblique strain as surefire evidence Moncada is not up to snuff. I suppose I’m the one who’s crazy, though. Edited May 25, 2022 by Greg Hibbard 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijames1957 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Sports is a what are you doing for me right now business. And neither of these guys are doing a damn thing right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Tnetennba said: ??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Weird that he told Ozzie different. I wonder if that means the Sox don't know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I haven't been a huge fan of the lineups to be honest. I feel TLR is always adding one bad hitter to every lineup and I don't really get why. Play the best hitters and let them figure it out and either sink or swim. Perfect example is why is Sheets getting all these at bats? Look I get we have injuries but Abreu and Vaughn should be playing every game at DH/1B. If you need outfielders call someone up or make a trade don't throw Vaughn into the outfield to get Sheets into the lineup he isn't hitting so why take the defensive hit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: I haven't been a huge fan of the lineups to be honest. I feel TLR is always adding one bad hitter to every lineup and I don't really get why. Play the best hitters and let them figure it out and either sink or swim. Perfect example is why is Sheets getting all these at bats? Look I get we have injuries but Abreu and Vaughn should be playing every game at DH/1B. If you need outfielders call someone up or make a trade don't throw Vaughn into the outfield to get Sheets into the lineup he isn't hitting so why take the defensive hit? 43 games; 43 different lineups. Today will be no different. Tony is the smartest guy in the room, according to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Isn't there a song with that title? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) . Edited May 27, 2022 by maxjusttyped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Are there any signs in the stats that suggest Grandal isn’t completely cooked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Are there any signs in the stats that suggest Grandal isn’t completely cooked? Grandal still has the 6th largest difference between his expected slugging based on contract and his actual slugging and 7th largest difference between his expected and actual wOBA. While the ball or other physical factors may well play a role in this, it’s notable that some other guys who were at the top of those lists a few weeks ago like Merrifield and Abreu have performed better lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 41 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Are there any signs in the stats that suggest Grandal isn’t completely cooked? Certainly could not see it yesterday, but Fegan had an article talking with Menechino and Yaz was discussed. He said Yaz had his best cage session this season Wed and was now onto approach as opposed to mechanics, insinuating he’d sorted out his swing issues. Again, last night we got 4 weak grounders so take it for what it’s worth. Yaz was like Superman with a bat when he returned from the IL last summer. It’s hard to believe a guy could fall off so quickly. There’s gotta be something in the tank, but they gotta stop batting him in the middle of the order until he finds it in game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 On 5/25/2022 at 4:33 PM, Greg Hibbard said: Yeah to clarify my position: I guess I’m looking at the 2 complete seasons in which Moncada went a combined .291 / .371 / .479 / .850 over 1175 plate appearances as a sign of massive improvement, while a lot of other people seem to look at the 225 PA during the 2020 season in which he had COVID and the 58 PA coming off the oblique strain as surefire evidence Moncada is not up to snuff. I suppose I’m the one who’s crazy, though. I wouldn't say crazy, but seriously confused! The original Sale trade was to get a #1 overall prospect in MLB. It was not to get a consistently injured player, who you get to project production based on a select two seasons of the six seasons he has played. That is not what the Sox signed up for. He also was suppose to be a 2nd baseman, if he would have worked harder at being a good 2nd baseman, then a former #1 draft pick and potential great player like Jake Burger, wouldn't have to be playing part time or being sent down to Charlotte. I am tired of all these excuses that are made for Yoan, like, "It's still early in the season and he'll get better". News Flash! We are only 44 games into the season. Go check the MLB stats and count how many players are having great years. Great players just play great and get it done! 2022 stats: 59 AB's BA .136 BABIP .158 OBP .177 SLG .254 OPS .431 1 double 2 HR's 2 BB's Career BA .257 I'm sorry, but that is not a great player for a former #1 prospect and a major part of the Chris Sale trade. Btw, if Moncada is playing hurt, then they need to put him on the IL and play Burger. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Are there any signs in the stats that suggest Grandal isn’t completely cooked? He just went away from his approach, which was a patient hitter ok with taking his walks. His swing% is about 10 to 15% higher this year. All this to say maybe his visions going, but like every hitter in this lineup hes chasing bad pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 10 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Are there any signs in the stats that suggest Grandal isn’t completely cooked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) On 5/25/2022 at 8:01 AM, WBWSF said: Neither Moncada and Grandal are hitting there weight. I went to the game last night and noticed that the Red Sox 3rd baseman is playing in the shortstop position when these 2 come up to bat. All they would have to do to get on base would simply bunt down the 3rd baseline. Is it beneath them to do that?. They would get on base every time as long as the 3rd baseman was playing at short. I would think in high school and Little League and Babe Ruth a coach would DEMAND his batter plop down a bunt in such a scenario. But not the shift happy big leagues. The player still has to try to lift and pull and so often hits right into the shift. Disgusting. I think of a single in baseball as a player catching a fish in a pond and tossing it right back unless it's a whopper. Singles ... ah, who needs 'em? Edited May 27, 2022 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I was surprised to see that pitchers have a 5.37 ERA when pitching to Grandal vs 3.60 ERA from last year. What changed here? No Rodon I guess? Thats a huge difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, reiks12 said: I was surprised to see that pitchers have a 5.37 ERA when pitching to Grandal vs 3.60 ERA from last year. What changed here? No Rodon I guess? Thats a huge difference Or Lynn…? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I know people hate firing the hitting coach when players struggle, but there is no way in hell I’d give up on either of these guys or Eloy without providing them access to a new voice. Grandal’s approach at the plate in particular is radically different from the rest of this career. Sucks for Menanchino, but I think it’s time to make a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 40 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Or Lynn…? Ah yep, but that Cuda tweet above makes it all moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Startling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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