ChiSoxFanMike Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Time to have this conversation. This team sucks. I say they move any of the short term pieces (Pollock, Cueto, etc) and perhaps even guys like Giolito to build for next year. Can’t completely tear it down again but this team is garbage and needs significant personnel changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Won't help without management and personal changes. Don’t hold your breath. 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superchops70 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Need to unload some of these 1B/DH types for some real defense. I’m fine with getting rid of any/all non pitchers besides Vaughn, Anderson and Robert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrittenburg Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 this was badly thought from the beginning, build around SP and a bullpen, but surround them with a worthless defensive cast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, superchops70 said: Need to unload some of these 1B/DH types for some real defense. I’m fine with getting rid of any/all non pitchers besides Vaughn, Anderson and Robert I'm actually ok moving anyone not named Vaughn/Robert, including Anderson. They're right back where they were in 2016. Edited June 28, 2022 by Jack Parkman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I'm actually ok moving anyone not named Vaughn/Robert, including Anderson. They're right back where they were in 2016. I thought Vaughn has zero value, being a H 1B/DH and all. Why wouldn't you trade him if someone offered value? Edited June 28, 2022 by Dick Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: I thought Vaughn has zero value, being a H 1B/DH and all. His value now is higher than it was in the offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatBallHitDeep_WAYBack Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Wrong - A decision will NOT be made until the ASB. They have 6 vs. MIN and 3 vs. Cleveland. If they can claw to within 3 or 4 GB by then, no White Flag is happening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatBallHitDeep_WAYBack Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Also, their August schedule is a cupcake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 The roster construction of this team is just severely flawed. Even if everyone was healthy and performing as expected we still have way too many plodding 1B/DH players on the roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: I thought Vaughn has zero value, being a H 1B/DH and all. Why wouldn't you trade him if someone offered value? I like my idea of Vaughn for Chisholm, but that’s just because Vaughn’s defense is always going to make his bat less valuable than it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Very against Hahn being able to retool. He has zero talent to scout major leaguers. Will always fall in love with players who are older because they are cheaper, and after ten years he’s still Charlie Brown lining up for that football. Maybe a fourth degree would help him learn. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Sox need a retool this offseason for sure, but it simply isn't happening midseason. Could they move Cueto and Pollock if there is interest come late July and we're 10+ out? Yeah, maybe. But they aren't tearing this thing down to the studs, or even trading impact guys controlled thru 22 like Gio and Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Retool the front office. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Sell low szn here on sox internet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 hours ago, ThatBallHitDeep_WAYBack said: Also, their August schedule is a cupcake. This is less significant after getting destroyed by Baltimore at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, turnin' two said: This is less significant after getting destroyed by Baltimore at home. Ehhh. Baltimore is 1) playing great lately; and 2) not nearly as bad KC, Detroit, Oakland who the Sox still play 31 combined games against (35% of remaining schedule). That makes no mention of the 11 against AZ, Seattle and Colorado. After this week, the Sox legitimately have a cakewalk schedule. But....none of it matters if they don't play signficiantly better baseball than they have, and play no worse than .600 against MN and CLE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: Sox need a retool this offseason for sure, but it simply isn't happening midseason. It won't, but it should start in midseason. And while Giolito has an extra year, part of a creative retool is to think a few moves ahead. And that extra year raises his value a lot. And waiting until December reduces his value a lot. Boston, San Franciso, Milwaukee and maybe Tampa could use Abreu Pretty much any contender could use Giolito. Perhaps something for a reliever. Pollock et al for just salary relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Really though.............what can they do? The Sox really only have two options: Stay the course or tear it to the studs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, GreenSox said: It won't, but it should start in midseason. And while Giolito has an extra year, part of a creative retool is to think a few moves ahead. And that extra year raises his value a lot. And waiting until December reduces his value a lot. Boston, San Franciso, Milwaukee and maybe Tampa could use Abreu Pretty much any contender could use Giolito. Perhaps something for a reliever. Pollock et al for just salary relief. The Sox aren't trading Giolito and punting 2023 in the process. Sorry. Abreu is unlikely to be dealt, but perhaps if July is disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Really though.............what can they do? The Sox really only have two options: Stay the course or tear it to the studs. This is so wrong. You're funny. No need to tear it all down. You can make a few offseason moves to better this roster and provide more flexiblity and balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: This is so wrong. You're funny. No need to tear it all down. You can make a few offseason moves to better this roster and provide more flexiblity and balance. Any moves that should be made needs to be done in the front office. Get rid of all the "old time" thinkers. Replace Duncan with an actual analytics guy. Pry someone from SF, CLE, LA to be the GM, replace the coaches with analytical thinkers. Spend the offseason to un-Menechino our hitters. So much needs to be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: The Sox aren't trading Giolito and punting 2023 in the process. Sorry. That is not punting 2023 at all. Contending teams make proactive trades like this. Trade Giolito now and you get 2 good players in return. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 I am not even going to speculate on what needs to be done. I have no faith in this organization. We can only hope injured players can get well and start producing. This franchise stopped caring a long time ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted June 28, 2022 Author Share Posted June 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Really though.............what can they do? The Sox really only have two options: Stay the course or tear it to the studs. That’s not true really. They could trade guys like Giolito and Hendriks now, get several quality young players for them, and then sign free agents this offseason to replace them. That is expecting the Sox to operate intelligently though so it won’t happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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