Texsox Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Thinking about last season (still) I wonder if moving Frank to 6 and bumping Maggs to 3 could have won us a couple games. IMNSHO Maggs should be in the 3 spot. I know it helps Frank to have Maggs back there to get him some better pitches to hit. Maybe we'll see him there next season. Has he ever made any comments about batting order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Frank whines if he doesn't hit 3rd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 It's not certain if Mags will be here to bat anywhere in the lineup. If he is here, he hits into so many double plays, I don't know if I want him in the three hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 what about batting Lee fifth, but switch Maggs and Thomas. If Frank keeps that 40+ HR swing (which is all but guaranteed) why not bat him 4th? Maggs will hit .310+ again and odds are, that it will lead to Thomas getting more AB's with runners on. Thomas wants to bat 3rd, but i doubt he'd object to a swap with Ordonez (after all, he could probably pad his RBI stats, lol ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 My batting order Alomar Graffanino Thomas Ordonez Spezio Lee Crede Olivo Rowand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Graf won't be an every day player. I can almost guarantee it. They will get a cheap SS more than likely. We know how this team operates. I just Jose isn't back here next year. I don't care if he is the greatest clubhouse guy in the world. A guy who can't hit .240 doesn't belong on our team as an every day player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 My batting order Alomar Graffanino Thomas Ordonez Spezio Lee Crede Olivo Rowand Castillo Reed Ordonez Thomas Lee Crede Konerko Valentin Olivo probably just wishful thinking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Valentine is wishful thinking, what is this world coming to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Valentine is wishful thinking, what is this world coming to. no the wishful thinking was the signing of Castillo, Reed being ready for a starting spot, and Thomas and Ordonez being swapped in the order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 no the wishful thinking was the signing of Castillo, Reed being ready for a starting spot, and Thomas and Ordonez being swapped in the order Castillo and tejada is who i want to see with, mike cameron has our center fielder. but thats just my wishful thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 I wouldn't be personally sad if Frank was gone. I think its time for him and the team to move on personally. He has been great while he is here but he isn't a team player. At a certain point it is time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Castillo and tejada is who i want to see with, mike cameron has our center fielder. but thats just my wishful thinking well i was trying to be at least semi-realistic i mean in an ideal world we'd sign Vlad Guerrero, move Maggs to left and Lee to DH, and sign Castillo and Mastui for the infield, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 I wouldn't be personally sad if Frank was gone. I think its time for him and the team to move on personally. He has been great while he is here but he isn't a team player. At a certain point it is time to move on. i think he should stay around a little longer but not at the money he is making now i wish he would take a pay cut so we could get tejada, a 2b with long range with mike cameron roaming the outfield. thats my realastic goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 I personally don't see Cammy or Tejada coming here. Cameron will probably want a lot of money as well as Tejada. As for Frank taking less money, I wouldn't count on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 I personally don't see Cammy or Tejada coming here. Cameron will probably want a lot of money as well as Tejada. As for Frank taking less money, I wouldn't count on it. i know we wont get any of those players it is just wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Here would be my ideal lineup: 1) Castillo 2B 2) Guillen SS 3) Thomas DH/1B 4) Maggs RF 5) Fullmer 1B/DH 6) Sanders LF 7) Crede 3B 8) Rowand CF 9) Olivo C I doubt that they will go after Castillo, however, I would love to see them go after Guillen from Seattle. Maybe a Lee for Guillen and a prospect would be a fair trade. I would love to see the Sox go after Fullmer and Sanders(assuming that an outfielder is traded) if they are serious about winning. I dont know if you can find any more bang for your buck then these 2. They combined to make 2M(likely to go up some) and posted a combined .291/40/122 and Fullmer missed half of the year. The only problem with this lineup is that it would cost a lot and the Sox would probably have to sign a second-tier starter like Batista(my top choice), Ponson, LHernandez, Escobar. I think this offense would be better with a much better and consistant top of the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 I personally don't see Cammy or Tejada coming here. Cameron will probably want a lot of money as well as Tejada. As for Frank taking less money, I wouldn't count on it. Cameron will get s*** for money and take it. He's had two straight not so great years. However, he'd probably rather play in the California Pino League before signing with the White Sox. He was treated like absolute s*** during the last stages of his career as a member of the Chicago White Sox. Best you can hope for is one big signing this offseason up the middle....maybe we get lucky enough and sign Castillo(odds are, probably no), or maybe we get lucky enough and make a trade for a good SS, or we sign Cabrera(again, probably no), or maybe we a good all around CFer, or maybe Rowand or Harris steps up and plays up to their potential(again, probably no) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 2B Alomar CF Reed DH Lee RF Ordonez 1B Fullmer SS Cabrera 3B Crede LF Rowand C Olivo I know many might scowl at this idea, but do we really need Thomas back? I say no, we can't afford to have a number three hitter hit .250 with runners in scoring position. I suggest moving C Lee in the number three spot, in the past he has done very well hitting in this spot. Either that or switch him with Maggs. That way with the departure of Thomas we can call up Reed let him patrol center and let Rowand play left. That's a pretty good defensive team on the field minus Fullmer, which is still a question mark since he hasn't played 1st base a lot and is mostly a DH. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 Graf won't be an every day player. I can almost guarantee it --I agree. Graf isn't an every day player. He's a great utility man. Look up utility player and dictionary and Graf's picture appears (cliche of the day) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 Frank whines if he doesn't hit 3rd... And therein lies the problem with Frank Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 2B Alomar CF Reed DH Lee RF Ordonez 1B Fullmer SS Cabrera 3B Crede LF Rowand C Olivo I know many might scowl at this idea, but do we really need Thomas back? I say no, we can't afford to have a number three hitter hit .250 with runners in scoring position. I suggest moving C Lee in the number three spot, in the past he has done very well hitting in this spot. Either that or switch him with Maggs. That way with the departure of Thomas we can call up Reed let him patrol center and let Rowand play left. That's a pretty good defensive team on the field minus Fullmer, which is still a question mark since he hasn't played 1st base a lot and is mostly a DH. CWSOX45 i dont know about having Rowand playing LF full time. I'd rather keep Thomas and have Lee in left or even, have Borchard in left or sign a free agent. You gotta count on your corner infielders and outfielders to drive in runs for you. And with Rowand in LF, i dont see him becoming a consistent RBI guy. Reed and Rowand are similar players with Reed being better in most areas. I like having Reed in CF, but i think a winning team would need more production out of their corner outfielders, i dont think Rowand would give enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 2B Alomar CF Reed DH Lee RF Ordonez 1B Fullmer SS Cabrera 3B Crede LF Rowand C Olivo I know many might scowl at this idea, but do we really need Thomas back? I say no, we can't afford to have a number three hitter hit .250 with runners in scoring position. I suggest moving C Lee in the number three spot, in the past he has done very well hitting in this spot. Either that or switch him with Maggs. That way with the departure of Thomas we can call up Reed let him patrol center and let Rowand play left. That's a pretty good defensive team on the field minus Fullmer, which is still a question mark since he hasn't played 1st base a lot and is mostly a DH. CWSOX45 No. Cabrera would bat second. Only way Reed would bat in first two, is if he was leading off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 2B Alomar CF Reed DH Lee RF Ordonez 1B Fullmer SS Cabrera 3B Crede LF Rowand C Olivo I know many might scowl at this idea, but do we really need Thomas back? I say no, we can't afford to have a number three hitter hit .250 with runners in scoring position. I suggest moving C Lee in the number three spot, in the past he has done very well hitting in this spot. Either that or switch him with Maggs. That way with the departure of Thomas we can call up Reed let him patrol center and let Rowand play left. That's a pretty good defensive team on the field minus Fullmer, which is still a question mark since he hasn't played 1st base a lot and is mostly a DH. CWSOX45 No. Cabrera would bat second. Only way Reed would bat in first two, is if he was leading off. True. However I heard that Reed isn't exactly as speedy as many make him out to be. Someone told me that his large number of stolen bases in Birmingham was only because of how agressive the Barons were on the basepaths. I think Alomar can still lead off, he draws a lot of walks. The guy still knows how to get on base. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 2B Alomar CF Reed DH Lee RF Ordonez 1B Fullmer SS Cabrera 3B Crede LF Rowand C Olivo I know many might scowl at this idea, but do we really need Thomas back? I say no, we can't afford to have a number three hitter hit .250 with runners in scoring position. I suggest moving C Lee in the number three spot, in the past he has done very well hitting in this spot. Either that or switch him with Maggs. That way with the departure of Thomas we can call up Reed let him patrol center and let Rowand play left. That's a pretty good defensive team on the field minus Fullmer, which is still a question mark since he hasn't played 1st base a lot and is mostly a DH. CWSOX45 i dont know about having Rowand playing LF full time. I'd rather keep Thomas and have Lee in left or even, have Borchard in left or sign a free agent. You gotta count on your corner infielders and outfielders to drive in runs for you. And with Rowand in LF, i dont see him becoming a consistent RBI guy. Reed and Rowand are similar players with Reed being better in most areas. I like having Reed in CF, but i think a winning team would need more production out of their corner outfielders, i dont think Rowand would give enough. We still get the production with Lee batting as a DH. If we do re-sign Thomas he CANNOT bat in the third hole. Batting .250 with runners in scoring position in the three hole won't cut it. I love Frank Thomas to death, but I think the White Sox would be much better off without him. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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